ESE's works engine tuner

[kel]

Have a box of new-in-the-packet B9EGV's NGK plugs coded 1Hx5 which are on the list.

Who do i see to get these replaced ??

And who is the NZ stockist of Nippon Denso plugs ??

Most people gave up on the Champion brand for the same reason. Seems that NGK have the same issue.

You can get the Denso IW plugs from most Kart shops. I also have a couple of NGK's to be returned, cheers Wobbly for bring this to our attention

[wobbly]

These are old style shitter plugs, but still no excuse for crap quality from NGK.
The newer iridium/platinum versions are way more expensive but way better for info to help with tuning both mixture and advance.
I have dyno tests that prove conclusively that the best NGKs make more power than any of the alternatives from Denso.
Anyway Darbys are the importer, and they are ultimately responsible, but claims must be made thru the supplying retailer.
Fear not, several complete engine destruction claims are already on the table.

[SS90]

These are old style shitter plugs, but still no excuse for crap quality from NGK.
The newer iridium/platinum versions are way more expensive but way better for info to help with tuning both mixture and advance.
I have dyno tests that prove conclusively that the best NGKs make more power than any of the alternatives from Denso.
Anyway Darbys are the importer, and they are ultimately responsible, but claims must be made thru the supplying retailer.
Fear not, several complete engine destruction claims are already on the table.

Darbis (or NGK for that matter) Shelling out for competition engine failures? Seems unlikely at best. Over the last 20 years I have seen plenty of situations where competition components have failed, and manufactureres have no legal obligation to pay for someone elses fun.

It is a bitter pill to swallow, but the sad reality.

Best I have seen is replacement of part..... no good if the supplied part is made in the same production run, but normally it is more than their obligation (which is none)
Add to this the amount of people buying plugs from the net, and I suspect there will be a few customers left out in the cold when it come to replacement

[FastFred]

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Any reason for this mind numbing advice????

[wobbly]

In this country we have the Consumer Guarantees Act that protects the purchaser,with a "fit for end use " requirement.
Plus for NGK there is no legally binding disclaimer printed on the product ,thus consequential damages is a viable legal option.
Add to this the fact that there is a public ( though kept quiet ) general recall of the product, and here at least, they havnt a leg to stand on.
The EGV range is very old,and cheap, but the 7376 range is so superior and reliable,there is really no reason not to be using them apart from price.

[SS90]

In this country we have the Consumer Guarantees Act that protects the purchaser,with a "fit for end use " requirement.
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Understood, but don't forget that the consumer guarantees act covers "private consumers", and, specifically excludes businesses from any "warranty"

A guy on his Harley (Road Bike) may have a Shot at getting some assistance (I doubt they would get anything other than a new set of plugs) but a business building competition engines, not so.

Over this way, you wouldn't have a shit show of getting anything, these plugs are for competition, and that's the end of the discussion.

NGK would do well not to piss you off, as this sort of thing, in a small country like NZ would soon (most likely) result in serious sales drops for NGK (although, as usual, NZ probably represents less than 1% of their entire world wide sales ( car and bike combined)

I notice that most people over here use Bosch or ND more than NGK, but in the UK, NGK is the big one.
I used to run cheap B10.5EGV in my 125's and replace them every meeting, and they never let me down, the old ones I used to chuck in a water cooled DT100 I had, so I felt I got my moneys worth, but everyone I know that ran them for long in a 125 had electrodes fall off.

I would be interested to hear what solution they offer in your case.

[wobbly]

The people who run the plugs in their KT100 or NSR250 road bike all are "private consumers".
They can go direct to the shop and make a claim, and they will pass this on to Darbi, who will ultimately pass it on as well I assume.
But Darbi must have liability insurance, being as they are a registered LTD,so I cant see it being an issue.

I cant go direct to Darbi and claim as a business, on behalf of my customers under the CGA, but I can sue them - and thus their insurer.

[FastFred]

the old ones I used to chuck in a water cooled DT100 I had

Its not everyday we have an Industry man experienced with dynos talking about an F4 type engine of his own.

I would be very interested to see a dyno graph or know the statistics for your water cooled DT100 and how it compares to TeeZee's efforts.

[twotempi]

Spoke to Darbi regarding the plug issue and was told to return the plugs to them and they will replace them free-of-charge even if used on a competition engine.

They have a shipment of replacement plugs due end of November. Note "replacement" plugs - not a free "upgrade" to EIVX grade

So it looks if "Consumer Guarantee" or commercial commonsense/pragmatism worked, and good on Darbi's for a positive response.

[diesel pig]

Its not everyday we have an Industry man experienced with dynos talking about an F4 type engine of his own.

I would be very interested to see a dyno graph or know the statistics for your water cooled DT100 and how it compares to TeeZee's efforts.

That would be a wast of time, He didn't build it. All he did with was lose it.

[FastFred]

the old ones I used to chuck in a water cooled DT100 I had.

SS90 I would be very interested in a dyno graph to see how it compares to TeeZee's efforts.

That would be a wast of time, He didn't build it.

Pity or tune it I guess ... I suppose SS just wanted to make an impression.

[husaberg]

That's not for me to divulge. Maybe Richard will tell.

mmm.....how do we get him to do that? does he come visit this thread sometimes......
Will a virtual chocky fish lure him into posting.......


Actually i was surprised no one had a go at the last chocky fish question.

OK virtual chockyfish question. Name this flying web crankshaft (it may be a tricky one)
It caught me out. Could be possible to make an interesting engine out of it too with a few mods. ESP as they made quite a few of them over the decades it was in production

[FastFred]

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Four stroke???

[husaberg]

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Four stroke???

.......... what could be.......

[twotempi]

4 stroke outboard motor ??

have also seen an air rock-drill motor crankshaft that was similiar but unlikely on this forum.