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Thread: ESE's works engine tuner

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    Quote Originally Posted by TZ350 View Post
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    In the end I managed several good runs @ 30hp, I hope I can do that again in a back to back test with Riches bike tomorrow night.
    Yes will be interesting for sure. I am picking my bike will be about 25 on your dyno. I am hoping we can get the ignitech plugged in to give it its best chance of maybe a little more. See you later today.

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    The SmartCarb is a development of Edmonsons Lectron with a couple of important twists.
    The venturi is sort of egg shaped,smaller radius at the bottom, to increase air velocity at low openings.
    They have developed the flat sided needle concept further to give even better atomisation of the fuel mist that was one of the Lectrons main features.
    But the real trick as far as I am concerned is the Aux Venturi that is in the top of the bellmouth.
    This connects to the top of the fuel bowl, and the differing air pressure created by the engines actual flow characteristics, and the ambient pressure, vary the fuel curve dynamically.
    Thus it is almost a situation of one needle fits all, but just as importantly the effect of altitude pressure on jetting is eliminated.
    The first set, that I have here, was used on a 500cc 2T Banshee Quad, that was easily the fastest up Pikes last year.
    And a 450 single 4T Quad won its class as well with a lap record.
    When jetted correctly at sea level, the tuning doesn't change when rising the 4000 ft up the hill.
    One excellent factor is that it has no idle jet circuit, in front of the slide, and thus it can be run very downdraft, creating dead straight inlets in front of the reeds on alot of engines.
    I am involved in the development, and will eventually, I hope, get the import rights,but the first small 28mm production units are almost finished now,and I will be fitting one to a 50cc Bucket
    to do the testing here.
    The company got alot of Federal money to develop the carbs as another by product of the atomisation is an amazing increase in fuel economy - and a big reduction in emissions.
    To the point that regulations are being put in place to ensure all small engines in things like generators will be required by CARB to have them fitted.
    Ive got a thing thats unique and new.To prove it I'll have the last laugh on you.Cause instead of one head I got two.And you know two heads are better than one.

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    I've been following the progress on the GasGas site & would love to chuck on on my 300 for a play, but would have to wait for the cash situation to become a bit better (& the cast versions that will be a reasonable price). Love to chuck on on the 50 to see if I could get a less picky overrev. Again even less likely to happen. My 496 being essentially the same engine what is regularly raced up Pikes would seem a candidate.

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    Cheers Wob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richban View Post
    Yes will be interesting for sure. I am picking my bike will be about 25 on your dyno. I am hoping we can get the ignitech plugged in to give it its best chance of maybe a little more. See you later today.
    Post the results! I'm interested/wish I was there to watch

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    A couple of trailor loads of bikes turned up at work last night, they were from Palmerston North and Wellington.

    Richban, Crazyman, Bert, Regan, Dave G, Kieren all FXR150's except for Burts TZR100 in a Crazyman frame.

    Stra8 Jacket and Koba will also be there.


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    After running up my bike

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    Rich got his new FXR/MC21 out for a run on the dyno in a true back to back test with the Beast.



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    TeeZee Red line and Rich's FXR Blue line.

    As Rich suspected the DynoDynamicks dyno in Wellington gives a reading that flatters their Harley riding clients but the Wellington and Team ESE Dyno Jets read much the same and give comparable results.

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    It does look like my earlier setup which Avalon prefers (blue line) would be more suited to the tight Mt Wellington track.

    Half way down page 500 Bucket posted links to all the relevant details about the engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TZ350 View Post
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    TeeZee Red line and Rich's FXR Blue line.

    As Rich suspected the DynoDynamicks dyno in Wellington gives a reading that flatters their Harley riding clients but the Wellington and Team ESE Dyno Jets read much the same.
    No surprises there. Takes me back to a quote from earlier in the year
    "I pulled a horsepower mugging on Rick in that last race. The beast was embarrassingly fast, clearly quicker up the straight than anything else on the track"
    And I failed to win on it

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    Anyone possibly help. I have built my new race engine. It will idle just fine but it will not rev. as soon as I get above 7-8000 rpm it splutters and just pums black goo out the exhaust. I have had a look at the timing and it running 15 down low then it goes to 30 till about 9 and drops back to 15 from 10 onwards. Even with no load on it should still rev cleanly past these points.
    Im desperate and very stressed as I have a race in the next few weeks
    I have tried 2 different carbs on it with no change

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    Quote Originally Posted by wax View Post
    Anyone possibly help. I have built my new race engine. It will idle just fine but it will not rev. as soon as I get above 7-8000 rpm it splutters and just pums black goo out the exhaust. I have had a look at the timing and it running 15 down low then it goes to 30 till about 9 and drops back to 15 from 10 onwards. Even with no load on it should still rev cleanly past these points.
    Im desperate and very stressed as I have a race in the next few weeks
    I have tried 2 different carbs on it with no change
    New or different heat range spark plug maybe. I like to try the easy and cheap fixes first...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    New or different heat range spark plug maybe. I like to try the easy and cheap fixes first...
    Sounds like it is way rich up top to me but esp hard to diagnose engines in different counties over the internet.
    have you tried diferent jetting rather than carbs?(this is not meant to sound condescending btw)

    But pull off the plug cap as well and check the inside of the boot for any black residue is it seating on the plug properly.
    some more info would be helpful.............
    I once chased my tail with something similar it was...... er the mainjet had fallen out



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    the beast

    The beast ran all day today, not at Kels pace but at my more sedate pace. It lived up to it's reputation and high sided me over the top on the first lap of the first race, a little moisture and too much clutch and throttle plus a tap from behind.
    I admit I was a little apprehensive for the next race and rode like my nanny, the 3rd race I felt a lot better and was having fun chasing the lads in front but a detto type noise made me pull out, as it turned out needlessly as it was the frame breaking and knocking together causing the noise not the engine.

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    Team ESE , thanks for the ride on the spare bike today after my bike did a head gasket, the bike went great and even better after a little carb change to help my riding style, after explaining what i needed Teezee made the changes that made the different, what a magic little engine ! Cheers guys.

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    Round one of the North Island series, an awesome day.

    Mostly FXR150's but there were quite a few interesting specials, unfortunately I didn't manage to get pictures of them all.
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    sweet bikes

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    Moto Cross has the flying "W"

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    And at Mt Welly Cotswold invented the flying Angle when the Beast High sided him.

    In the first race there was a light shower of rain as the grid was forming up. Then the green flag and as the pack exited the infield onto the short back straight Cots gassed the Beast up and got it well and truly sideways. He cought it and was looking good bringing it back into line when he got a tap from behind and the Beast took its chance to spit him off, fortunatly without any real injury.

    In the last race Cotswold sensibly pulled out early as he heard the engine note change and go into what sounded like detonation. A quick inspection in the pits and it looks like the front down tube has broken and that the ends clattering together was what he heard (hopefully). We will know for sure, when the engine gets pulled down in preperation for Hampton.

    So ... one finish and two DNF's for the day, but great fun, and the other high lights were hanging out with the riders in our pit area and catching up with Steve and Ellen, the people from Wellington and Palmerston North and talking with the guy from Whakatane about his RG150 conversion and working with Rick trying to get something going so he could stay in the hunt for the series.

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