ESE's works engine tuner

**F5 Dave** · 6th December 2012, 11:24

Originally Posted by cookie1965

. . . . if, say money were no object LOL,. . .

Sounds like you have the potential to make up to 9/10s in profit that could be ploughed into a better idea. Result.

**cookie1965** · 6th December 2012, 11:41

Originally Posted by husaberg

I have an article somewhere i will post it tonight about converting a water dyno to computer controled somewhere it is out of FB (so unfortunatly it is a bit long winded and full of bad jokes etc.) i guess you should cope?

Yeah I'd love to see that. Long winded and bad jokes? Right up my alley.

**cookie1965** · 6th December 2012, 11:42

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

Sounds like you have the potential to make up to 9/10s in profit that could be ploughed into a better idea. Result.

Maybe

. Lets see if that one sells first

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HEENAN-FROUD...-/271101287554

**chrisc** · 6th December 2012, 13:22

At the risk of opening a can of worms (people hating on the dominance of 4 strokes and the culling of 2 strokes), I am interested to know more about how modern 2 strokes have been developed for better pollution emissions. I was going to start a new thread but thought this is likely to be the place to ask, sorry if it's clogging the thread.

Any suggestions on interesting reads? I've read a small amount on direct fuel injection and such but does anyone have thoughts or interesting things of note around this?

**NOID** · 6th December 2012, 13:43

[QUOTE=chrisc;1130444357]At the risk of opening a can of worms (people hating on the dominance of 4 strokes and the culling of 2 strokes)

i think that 4T was/ still is a good way to go, meny dont all have time / knowlege of building / fixing 2T engines etc they can get ok power and be really compedative for a small fee and (relability is amazing on some 4T engines )

there is the exception with people modifying 4T for $$$$$$$$$ and then blowing them up = more $$$

But theres still the 2T out there, maybe not in the high numbers like there was 10yrs ago etc but the tide will change/ new fad will come around ( FXR FAD MUST DIE SOON !!!!!!)

Iv jumped ship, was 4T for life . . . . . but pick up 2T this weekend and looking forward to getting easy power and learning more

**husaberg** · 6th December 2012, 13:44

Originally Posted by chrisc

At the risk of opening a can of worms (people hating on the dominance of 4 strokes and the culling of 2 strokes), I am interested to know more about how modern 2 strokes have been developed for better pollution emissions. I was going to start a new thread but thought this is likely to be the place to ask, sorry if it's clogging the thread.

Any suggestions on interesting reads? I've read a small amount on direct fuel injection and such but does anyone have thoughts or interesting things of note around this?

Eventrude..............

**jasonu** · 6th December 2012, 13:59

Originally Posted by cookie1965

Maybe

. Lets see if that one sells first

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HEENAN-FROUD...-/271101287554

That's in my neck of the woods (in summertime anyway)

**wobbly** · 6th December 2012, 15:11

The issue the industry is up against now is that the technology to make a 2T BETTER than a 4T in EVERY way is licensed and patented.
Evninrude and Bombadier use direct injection systems that create stratified charge distribution.
This gives an engine thats, lighter, more powerful,less emissions, more fuel efficient and WAY cheaper to service.
But this technology costs a fortune to implement.
All it needs is a quantum jump for someone to come up with a new way of doing this, sell it to the Asians, make a trillion 50cc
scooters using it and 4Ts will quickly disappear back up Hirochios bum, from whence they came.
Might even see 500GP with bikes that do 50mpg.

**twotempi** · 6th December 2012, 15:20

There was a post regarding bead-blasting for cleaning plugs which got tacit approval.

Is there a product that will clean chemically them - Tergosol, oven cleaner, BBQ cleaner ?? - that will do the same job ??

Conc sulphuric/nitric acid just produces fumes !!

( that was a joke by the way )

**twotempi** · 6th December 2012, 15:22

Carbon Tet is a no-no as it leaves traces on carbon which shorts out the plugs. If you can still buy the stuff.

**TZ350** · 6th December 2012, 15:45

Originally Posted by twotempi

Oven cleaner, BBQ cleaner ??

Originally Posted by twotempi

Carbon Tet is a no-no as it leaves traces of carbon which shorts out the plugs.

BBQ and Oven Cleaner to get rid of oily deposits, dry then bead blast is my pick, we use Breakcleaner in an aerosol can when we need to clean a plug up at the track.

Carbon Tet is rapidly absorbed through the skin and lungs and is hard on the kidneys and Liver and is a carcinogenic.

**jasonu** · 6th December 2012, 16:09

Originally Posted by TZ350

BBQ and Oven Cleaner to get rid of oily deposits, dry then bead blast is my pick, we use Breakcleaner in an aerosol can when we need to clean a plug up at the track.

Carbon Tet is rapidly absorbed through the skin and lungs and is hard on the kidneys and Liver and is a carcinogenic.

Why don't you simply buy new plugs and be sure to have a couple on hand at the track?

**twotempi** · 6th December 2012, 16:15

"Carbon Tet is rapidly absorbed through the skin and lungs and is hard on the kidneys and Liver and is a carcinogenic." - which is why you can't buy it anymore.

Interesting that Methanol has same physiological properties as carbon tetraclhoride but the classic guys still use it for fuel without any health precautions whatsoever.

Also if you are following a "Methanol" bike you certainly know it by the exhaust fumes - they stink !!

Is "Brake" cleaner and carb cleaner the same stuff ?? The can has different label but ............................

**twotempi** · 6th December 2012, 16:20

"Why don't you simply buy new plugs and be sure to have a couple on hand at the track?"

At $25 a shot the bottom of the toolbox becomes a very valuable item. How many plugs land up rattling around in the bottom of toolboxes ??

Seriously though, if there is a way of "refreshing" them effectively why not do it . The Green Party will be proud of us - Recycle, Repair & Race

Forgot to mention - I run twin-cylinder stuff so the issue is X 2 !!

**jasonu** · 6th December 2012, 17:00

Originally Posted by twotempi

"Why don't you simply buy new plugs and be sure to have a couple on hand at the track?"

At $25 a shot the bottom of the toolbox becomes a very valuable item. How many plugs land up rattling around in the bottom of toolboxes ??

Seriously though, if there is a way of "refreshing" them effectively why not do it . The Green Party will be proud of us - Recycle, Repair & Race

Forgot to mention - I run twin-cylinder stuff so the issue is X 2 !!

Are bucket racers really using $25 spark plugs?
If yes, I doubt they would end up rattleing about at the bottom of the tool box.