ESE's works engine tuner

[Billy]

Yes I would be interested in what the background story is too.

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This is what Billy says will likely become legal fuel for Road Racing which is a good thing as the un leaded petrol allows for 10% ethanol or E10 and its readily available from the local pump and cheaper than Av gas.

But the Bucketeers may still have a problem because, as Kel has pointed out to me, in the supplementary rule in the miniature road race rules it states no alcohol no additives.

So the most progressive performance development class on the NZ Road Race scene with more members than any other, looks to have missed the boat a bit.

I don't doubt that those involved with the most progressive performance development class are a bit dismayed that they have missed out,However,If you don't apply for a rulechange,Then it won't happen,If you require things to change theres a process that needs to adhered to,As others have.

I simply do not have the knowledge or the time required to deal with every rule in every different appendix plus the chapters,I rely on those involved to keep me informed of any changes required.

[crazy man]

think l may take up golf again far easyer to keep up with

[Grumph]

Ok, is there some sort of conspiracy going on? Why not E85? What has MNZ against this fuel? Why do they not understand this fuel? It's been around for a long time now, passenger cars run on it, racing cars world over use it, It's made in NZ from a by product of milk processing. Green ( ish ). No where near as bad for you as Methanol or petrol. Excellent cooling for air cooled engines, high octane rating and you can run it through your EFI system, I do. What more could you want from a fuel? Available in 200L drums. Mixes with castor straight.
Yes you will use it at twice the rate but so what.

Quite agree...way back when alky was legal I vigorously opposed it's banning, pointing out that we could have had a greener sport.
Methanol and synthetic oil - good combination. But they wanted to ban Nitro and threw Meth out with it.

Formula one went pump gas in 1958 from open fuel. But they did it for sound commercial reasons - the fuel companies who were sponsoring wanted it to link race fuel more closely with what they sold at the pump. Don't see any fuel company money here....
At this end of the world there's no reason to follow FIM fuel regs as we have our own local brews.

I've no idea why MNZ - and Motorsport NZ and Kartsport NZ too - all have a downer on alky....ridiculous and ill informed.

[Billy]

think l may take up golf again far easyer to keep up with

Me too !!!They tell me the 19th hole's where it all happens

[crazy man]

Me too !!!They tell me the 19th hole's where it all happens

lol tiger

[TZ350]

If you don't apply for a rulechange (in time),Then it won't happen ...

There it is in a nutshell ..... Thanks Billy for your input.

[TZ350]

Tonight's effort was to clean up the back of the cylinder ready for the injectors.

[speedpro]

Avgas is expensive, hard to get (compared to pump fuel) and it contains lead. Lead is a particular nasty we can all do without exposure to.

As a percentage of the total cost of bucket racing the "extra" cost of Avgas hardly matters, and who hasn't heard some horror story about a bad batch of fuel from the pump. With all the effort and $$$ I've put into building my engine I want consistency with the fuel I'm tipping in. Even my baggy 1.8 Legnum doesn't like some fills of 96. If you want to use it, the bother of getting a tin filled every couple of months at worst is hardly a problem.

Lead is not particularly good for you I agree. On the other side, Tolulene/Toluene isn't any sort of health tonic either and once burnt the byproducts, if I remember the article I have round here somewhere, are worse than lead. Not too bad if the exhaust is put through a Catalytic converter but who has one of those on their bucket?

[husaberg]

As a percentage of the total cost of bucket racing the "extra" cost of Avgas hardly matters, and who hasn't heard some horror story about a bad batch of fuel from the pump. With all the effort and $$$ I've put into building my engine I want consistency with the fuel I'm tipping in. Even my baggy 1.8 Legnum doesn't like some fills of 96. If you want to use it, the bother of getting a tin filled every couple of months at worst is hardly a problem.

Lead is not particularly good for you I agree. On the other side, Tolulene/Toluene isn't any sort of health tonic either and once burnt the byproducts, if I remember the article I have round here somewhere, are worse than lead. Not too bad if the exhaust is put through a Catalytic converter but who has one of those on their bucket?

Mathanol is not that good for you either, also none of the Ethanol pump fuels are freely available in the South Island.
Avgas is practically everywhere...................
The environmental sustainablity of ethanol is also highly dubious to say the least....
It's also likely more enviromental damage is caused by one green party member flying to a conservation conference, than in an entire year of NZ bike racing..........
the cat will be after the "Envromats" are introduced...........

[chrisc]

Tonight's effort was to clean up the back of the cylinder ready for the injectors.

This is great! Watching with curiosity

[TZ350]

Methanol is not that good for you either, also none of the Ethanol pump fuels are freely available in the South Island. Avgas is practically everywhere.....

Thats why I think it shouldn't be one or the other but a choice, anyway its moot now untill next year.

I rely on those involved to keep me informed of any changes required.

Maybe in the meantime we could take a pole on whether the Bucket community thinks having access to an effective pump gas is worth pursuing.

PS I didn't start this but it has got me interested.

[TZ350]

This is great! Watching with curiosity

I think it was Grumph who suggested fan (forced) air cooling, wait and see what I have in mind for that and the generator required to run the EFI, lots of fun.

[Flettner]

Billy, am I to understand that even if a remit was put forward regarding the use of E85, that E85 would still not be accepted, because the " entrusted member" is not in favor?

[Bert]

There it is in a nutshell ..... Thanks Billy for your input.

Like my annual rant about mx80s as an option (not going there as it hasnt been long enough) I also throw up the idea of a national bucket federation... So here it is again.

Selection of members from around the country (silver backs). a. Help with sorting out the GP and north/south island events (even allocation of numbers). B. Apply or resolve rules and work proactively with MNZ for the betterment of the sport. C. Like the sidecar fed; everyone becomes a member ($20) a year to ensure key events happen and celebrations are what is expected...

Let's engage as a united front and ensure it is the best classes in NZ.

Billy, am I to understand that even if a remit was put forward regarding the use of E85, that E85 would still not be accepted, because the " entrusted member" is not in favor?

Flettner, you are never going to get anywhere. As seen in the racing section requests for information / explinations are encouraged to be directed to MNZ and other than turning into shit throwing session (fun to read); little will be achieved other than filling up Mr TZs great thread. Only my two cents though.

[Billy]

Billy, am I to understand that even if a remit was put forward regarding the use of E85, that E85 would still not be accepted, because the " entrusted member" is not in favor?

This is not the right place to be discussing MNZ internal functions.But the short answer is,No the rulechanges in the norm have a due process,In this instance we needed to make some changes to counter the problem that arose during the NZSBK series when we fuel tested a couple of machines that were running E10,A s I have limited knowledge in the area I enlisted the other members help,We did discuss E85 and he identified some problems and as we had not been approached in regard to E85,It was left out.Simple really,If you want to put forward a submission to have E85 included,Do so.