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    Quote Originally Posted by Frits Overmars View Post
    Why not IE9? Because Microsoft won't let me install it, saying I should first substitute my beta-version of Windows7 with the final version.
    You don't happen to know a way around that, do you?
    M/soft - almost as bad as Hon*a.... (Whose computer is it anyway ??? )
    No reason you shouldn't use something other than the Exploder browser (Firefox / Opera etc) - a lot of them you can run without installing - just download & run them where & when you want.
    I've not used the MS broken browser since version 5 - probably about 10 years ago....far better software available these days...
    The PNG issue could be the server having an htaccess file restriction in place - you'd need to have the admin of the server fix that - if you see PNGs everywhere else - that's looking quite likely ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucketracer View Post
    Wobs comment on inlet tract length.
    Quote Originally Posted by bucketracer View Post
    And Just for you TeeZee I waded back a hundred pages or so and collected up Wobs comments on setting up 2-Stroke carburation.
    Have to visit Buckets post to see the links.

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisc View Post
    Suzuki GP125 and GP125U service manual... all 136 pages of it. It's a large file at 18.0 MB

    Suzuki GP125 Service Manual
    Quote Originally Posted by bucketracer View Post
    There are ways of finding interesting posts without having to flick through all the pages.

    On most decade pages 100 110 120 130 Etc ..... there is a links or interesting post collection.

    Page 500 has a bit of an index and links to how to get 28-30 hp from a 125.

    And if you use thread tools you can trawl through all the thousands of pictures on the ESE thread which then lead to the relevant post.
    Quote Originally Posted by TZ350 View Post
    Attachment 268048

    A handy little tool put together by Bucket for checking the BMEP of different Engines.

    You change the values in the yellow squares and the answers appear in the green ones. Its a great tool for compairing different bikes and what development potential they may have left and who's telling porkies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frits Overmars View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    I am sure Frits said somewhere if the tract is smaller it can be longer I think?
    And I am sure I didn't. Quite the opposite in fact: if the tract diameter has to be small for some reason (rules), you can diminish its negative effect by making it as short as possible. And because it's a lovely day, here is my solution of making it really short.

    I slip a plate (P in the drawing) around the carb. The hole in this plate is about 2 mm larger than the carb's outer diameter. Then I slip a thick O-ring O around the carb. Then I slide this composition into a hole in the disk valve cover D and fasten it with two bolts B.
    Plate P compresses O-ring O which centers the carb in the disk valve cover so there is no metallic contact anywhere. With this solution I manage to fit the carb at 2 millimeters from the disk valve. It works with reed valves too.

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    You can play with the O-ring size and the rate of compression to vary the flexibility of the carb mounting. You can also fit a second, smaller O-ring at the bevelled end of the carb, next to the disk valve, to keep the carb from sagging when applying a light rate of compression on the large O-ring.
    The ideal would be an O-ring with a sleeve. Maybe you can produce something like that with 'liquid rubber'.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frits Overmars View Post
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    An article that I wrote for a German two-stroke forum. It's in German (they like that in Germany)...
    Quote Originally Posted by Buckets4Me View Post
    Attachment 268124


    I'd like to tell you about the events in the engine. Without calculating (it already expects
    enough), but with logic, in a way that it can understand a 12 year old. This is just in the area
    my knowledge of German.
    Look at the picture some HFD-1.
    There you'll see a cylinder. Above the piston is a volume VZYL and therein a pressure prevails Pzyl.
    Then comes an exhaust manifold. It contains a mass of gas. The moves are not enough.
    After the elbow is the exhaust volume Vout and the pressure is there Paus.
    Now we consider what happens when the engine is running in thousandths of seconds. But we have
    not in a hurry, we take the time to step by step to follow closely and rethink.
    Case 1: The piston has just released the exhaust port. The pressure in the cylinder Pzyl is higher than the pressure
    Paus in the exhaust. This means that the gas mass in the left elbow is more crowded than the right.
    The mass will be accelerated on the right night. It flows from the gas cylinder in the manifold and thereby
    the cylinder pressure drops Pzyl.
    At the same gas flows from the exhaust manifold in volume, thereby increasing the exhaust pressure Paus.
    As long as the cylinder pressure of the exhaust pressure Pzyl Paus is the gas mass in the manifold
    accelerated and the flow velocity on the increase.
    This goes on until Pzyl Paus is the same. Then the gas mass reaches its maximum speed.
    Because the flow from left to right, ie running from the cylinder to exhaust, remains in the cylinder always
    less gas left, so the pressure drops Pzyl ever. And the exhaust is it just the other way.
    There is always flowing into it more gas, so that the pressure continues to rise Paus. Paus is therefore higher than
    Pzyl. The right of the elbow will be more crowded than on the left and the flow in the manifold is always
    decelerated more, until it completely stops.
    The crowd is right now much stronger than the left, so the currently stagnant gas mass in the
    Now bend to the left accelerates back to the cylinder.
    The acceleration remains active until Pzyl Paus again is the same. Then the mass of gas has reiterated its maximum
    Speed ​​is reached, but this time left. After growing Pzyl beyond Paus and after the
    left flowing gas mass decelerated again until it stops.
    Now we are back at the starting point: the cylinder pressure Pzyl is high, the exhaust pressure is Paus
    lower, and the mass of gas in the manifold is stationary. She has now performed a complete oscillation of
    left to right and back.
    Case 2: Imagine that the cylinder volume is now twice as big VZYL. The cylinder is so much
    more gas as in Case 1 Now, if gas from the cylinder flows in the manifold, the cylinder pressure decreases Pzyl
    much more slowly. So down it takes longer now to Pzyl up at the Pau-value.
    It takes longer to stop the flow. And then when the flow goes to the left, back to the
    Cylinder increases, Pzyl at much slower and takes longer to stop this reverse flow.
    Everything just takes longer.
    Case 3: Let us now before the exhaust volume Vout also made twice as large. If dan
    Gas from the exhaust manifold flows in, the pressure Paus also much slower. It takes longer to
    the flow is slowed down to the right and the return flow comes to the left in motion. And so on.
    Case 4: Now we do the Krümmerdurchmesser much smaller, as in Figure HFD-4.
    The piston is released to the exhaust port. The mass of gas in the manifold is on the pressure difference
    Pzyl-Paus back to the right and accelerates the flow velocity increases again. But because
    the small Krümmerdurchmessers comes despite the gas flow rate less mass per
    Second from the cylinder to the exhaust. The cylinder entlehrt So slowly, the pressure drops Pzyl
    slower, the pressure rises more slowly Paus, everything is slower.
    Case 5: the elbow regains its original diameter, as shown in Fig HFD-1. But now
    we make, such as image HFD-5 shows the manifold much shorter.
    All other values ​​VZYL, Pzyl, Vout and Pau are the same as in Case 1
    The pressure difference Pzyl-Paus of the acceleration provides the mass of gas, is again the same.
    But the mass itself is now much smaller! Therefore, it is accelerated harder.
    The flow rate increases faster, the cylinder pressure Pzyl decreases faster and the exhaust pressure
    Paus is increasing rapidly. The flow velocity reaches its maximum value is more likely, rather slowed down,
    rather, the direction changes from right to left, there is also decelerated more. In short, the
    whole vibration plays in less time.
    Leak
    Now to another topic. I have stated several times: gas flows from the manifold in
    Exhaust volume, thereby increasing the exhaust pressure Paus. But even in HFD-1 image you can see the hook:
    the tailpipe! The exhaust has a leak. It comes in. Although gas, but also some same time escaped.
    Therefore, the pressure Paus not nearly as fast as you expect without the tail pipe like it.
    The pressure in the exhaust behaves as if the exhaust volume would be larger in reality. And
    the larger the pipe diameter increases slower Paus Paus, and the lower is the peak-
    be. The final hole acts like a shock absorber in the system.
    Far left of the images are somewhat remarkable: the overflow. Once the piston
    the scavenging port releases, has not only the exhaust volume, but also the cylinder volume a leak.
    The cylinder pressure drops Pzyl though because gas flows away from the cylinder above the elbow, but as soon as
    Pzyl comes under the irrigation pressure, fresh gas is refilled. Pzyl decreases less rapidly so as to
    closed transfer ports.
    Once through the opening of the overflow valve, the cylinder volume is brought into communication with the crankcase volume,
    Thus it behaves as if it were greater in reality. The vibration in
    this coupled volume and tube-dan system is running slower, and the system frequency drops.
    Now you have something to ponder:
    An increase in volume of the exhaust system reduces the frequency.
    A reduction of Krümmerdurchmessers well.
    A shortening of the manifold increases the frequency.
    An enlargement of the Spülsteuerwinkels lowers the frequency.
    An enlargement of the tail pipe diameter reduces the frequency and weakens the pressure fluctuations in the
    Exhaust.
    Quote Originally Posted by wobbly View Post
    I discovered the 135mm inlet rule of thumb on a TM125 MX engine used for 125 class kart shifter racing . It had a VF2 with a late model RS125 rubber manifold along with Kehin SPJ solenoid carb.
    The old Dynamation sim I was using said shorter was better.

    I really wanted 50 Hp and found an old model RS125 intake rubber - 20mm shorter, fitted that in a back to back,Voila more power everywhere in the useable range.
    Each test is 3 pulls averaged.

    That length is for a reed - the RV needs to be alot shorter again.
    Quote Originally Posted by TZ350 View Post
    Oh no ..... ... it was hard enough to get down to 130 and EngMod2T points to 85mm Now I will have to look at Fritz's Idea.
    Quote Originally Posted by TZ350 View Post
    Made a small adapter plate tonight to fit the pumper carb hard up against the case, can't get any shorter than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbly View Post
    The tuned intake length testing I did with the reed engine was based on Dynamation sim results and as I have shown here before,involves combining the case pressure ratio dropping below atma,at the same time as the intake length resonates with a + ratio at the reeds. This opens them real quick,and fast,initiating intake flow early in the cycle.

    Having around 135mm from bell to reed tips gives a good result centred around 12,000 rpm so works well on alot of 125s.
    This tunes the intake to the 2rd harmonic from memory as it gives the best energy recovery over the widest range.
    Using this approach on a 250 power unit gives really good gains ( making the length around 50% longer again ) and proves that the only reason the factories use 125 size carbs and manifolds on these MX bikes ,is simply that there is no room.

    Another pointer is that for example on the old TZ250 piston port. If you are silly enough to remove the 20mm phenolic spacer fitted by the factory to "get some more top end ", all that happens is the the tuning range moves up past 12,000
    and it is impossible to jet the thing at lower rpm. Same with the tossers selling shortened carbs for the TZ350, simply throwing away a bunch of free mid power with no addition of any top end at all - the factory chose the big/long body Mikuni for a reason..

    The RV scenario probably is working on the short 3rd harmonic, with less energy recovery, but also the very short length is mechanically desirable and reduces the deleterious effect of the standing waves on the fuel delivery from the jets.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frits Overmars View Post
    You can have an intake length that is too short in combination with intake diameter, intake timing, crankcase volume and desired rpm, in which case the engine will express its displeasure by blowing back some of the inhaled mixture. I prefer to shorten the intake length as much as possible and shorten the intake timing accordingly.

    By varying intake length, intake timing or crankcase volume you can adapt the induction system to different rpms. I think the best way to adapt to low revs is to advance the intake closing; it will make for a docile engine with a clean, easy to set carburation.

    Varying exhaust pipe length seems to be a far better way of increasing overrev than retarding the ignition or leaning out the mixture; it would be a waste not to utilize all inhaled oxygen. Varying the pipe length can also markedly lower the beginning of the power band.
    Quote Originally Posted by TZ350 View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaust_pulse_pressure_charging

    Exhaust pulse pressure charging (EPPC) is a system for supercharging two-stroke of the loop-scavenge type. The exhaust system is arranged in such a way that excess air/fuel charge follows the exhaust gases into the exhaust manifold. Some of this air/fuel is then forced back into the cylinder by a rise in pressure in the exhaust manifold.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_wave_supercharger

    A pressure wave supercharger The process is controlled by a cylindrical cell rotor whose speed is synchronised with the engine crankshaft speed via a belt or chain. Individual cells alternately open and close the exhaust gas and fresh air apertures, when the aperture on the exhaust gas side is reached pressurised exhaust gas flows into the cell and compresses the fresh air there.

    As the cell rotor continues to rotate and reaches the aperture on the inlet side the compressed air flows to the engine. Before the exhaust gas can flow the aperture is closed again and the exhaust gas column is reflected before entering the engine. The exhaust gas exits at high speed sucking further intake air into the cell behind it repeating the process.

    Energy exchange in the pressure-wave supercharger occurs at sound velocity, resulting in good response even at low engine speeds, a common downfall of turbocharged engines. It combines the advantages of mechanical and exhaust gas supercharging.

    http://www.idsc.ethz.ch/Research_Guz...e_Wave_Systems

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    A ton of information on wave rotors can be found here:- http://www.egr.msu.edu/mueller/projects_waverotor.htm

    So if a 2-stroke is already supercharged by the exhaust system, then would it be ok to extend the inertial pressure wave process to the inlet side?

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    Setting up for the first ever run, first cut came out at 20hp and climbed to 22 with header length adjustments.

    The night was spent finding the right header length to get the rpm peak in the right place, hopefully 24 after ignition and jetting adjustments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TZ350 View Post
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    Setting up for the first ever run, first cut came out at 20hp and climbed to 22 with header length adjustments.

    The night was spent finding the right header length to get the rpm peak in the right place, hopefully 24 after ignition and jetting adjustments.
    you have got to be happy with that

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    Nice one Kel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cotswold View Post
    you have got to be happy with that
    no
    But it is making 22hp at 8500rpm so 24hp at 10500 is certainly achievable, just need to sort the exhaust, carb, ignition ...

    Big thanks to TZ for the dyno time and advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
    no
    But it is making 22hp at 8500rpm so 24hp at 10500 is certainly achievable, just need to sort the exhaust, carb, ignition ...

    Big thanks to TZ for the dyno time and advice
    That's grunty!

    What's the spread like so far?
    Heinz Varieties

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    Good greif, those are low revs for that sort of power, I'm certainly feeling a bit shamed that it has taken me so long to get just to that level.


    However I got some sparks from my bike (sort of came & went) but Sketchy lent me a whole set up. I then dug a bit pulling back wires on my Stator & found then had eaten their way into each other just shorting which explains the failure I hope.
    Don't you look at my accountant.
    He's the only one I've got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS90 View Post
    I earn my living from developing AIR COOLED, TWO STROKE 125 (AND 140) CC CYLINDERS..............

    Man, you guys are way behind....

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    I Know what I am talking about.....
    Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
    ... it is making 22hp at 8500rpm ...
    Congrats Kel, sure SS90's was a few years ago but you equaled his best "Tuning Industry" efforts at that time on your first try and you don't even work in the Industry, shows what a bit of intelligent research on the net can achieve, good one .
    Factual Facts are based on real Fact and Universal Truths. Alternative Facts by definition are not based on Truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cotswold View Post
    I was trying to get to this weekends fun day in Auckland with my 1/2 finished GP but could not get it running right, I have put a video on youtube as the file is from an Ipad and I also cant make that work for this forum.

    http://youtu.be/eaHpanau3Yw

    It starts, idles and revs with the choke open, when the choke is off it backfires and dies, I am on 125 main and the needle on the top clip, I ran out of jets at 125 but am I right in thinking it's still too lean?

    Kx100 ignition set by the suck it and see method

    It was my CDI, Tee Zee lent me one of his old ones and it now sounds great.

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    Ok, finally found the time to pop the head and barrel of after Taumarunui, piston ring is still free and there are no piston seizure marks, now that makes a change. The damage to the head was from a previous mis adventure.

    I will put the thing back together and run it up on the dyno again, I am keen to find a way to stop it detonating in over rev. I would like to try a few ideas, like water injection and a dump valve on the chamber to bleed of pressure during over rev.
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    Plugs

    I see that TZ350 doesn't use a fine wire plug.

    There are theoretical advantages such as requiring less voltage to fire BUT are they the "magic bullet" or a "required plug for racing" as promoted by the plug manufacturers OR are the more common wide electrode quite satisfactory for our state of tune engines.

    I have always used the fine wire type but .........................................

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    Quote Originally Posted by twotempi View Post
    I see that TZ350 doesn't use a fine wire plug.

    I have always used the fine wire type but .........................................
    I got heap of the ordinary 1/2" reach ones for a few bucks of Ebay. But plans are afoot for using good fine wire resistor plugs, but that type are mostly 3/4" reach so some head modification is required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbly View Post
    The old BR10EGV isnt prone to ceramic cracking at all, and the 7376 at 4 times the price of those is virtually indestructible.
    The brown bit on the insulators nose is the colour of the ash left by the plug keeping itself clean by burning off lubricating oil and impurites in the fuel.

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    The yellow arrow points to the blackish fuel mixture ring and is where you need to look after a plug chop to check the size of the main jet.

    And Wobs comments ....

    Quote Originally Posted by wobbly View Post
    Is this still running AvGas??
    For Av its a bit rich, for Unleaded its a bit lean.
    The plug heat range appears good, and the mixture is on the rich side of correct for Av.
    Quote Originally Posted by wobbly View Post
    Weld a threaded alloy bung onto the head ( you could even machine a couple of fins into it ) to enable use of 3/4 reach race plugs, and use the NGK 7376 I gave you. Much easier to read both ignition and fuel and is worth an easy Hp or two over shitter plugs.

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    Search is on for this obscure Marben 2C engine looks for all intents to be a 125cc version of the Rotax 256 inline.
    Brought back to 100cc would be the ideal engine with 2 KTM 50 cylinders.
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