My idea of Production 600 rules

[Tony.OK]

Ya know what they say Robert...............All this bagging of Aunty Helen...........you're not hiding some secret love fetish are ya?

[vtec]

So yeah, how about work my arse off in 3 jobs like Toast so the government can rape me to pay out everyones benefits and I can scrape through my existance but get to race a motorbike once a month. The tax rate sky rockets when you work more than one job.

How about increase cost efficiency. And have a life too, and maybe even a property a wife and a family one day aswell. Racing was robbing me of a future. So few actually make money at it. As has been said, how to make a small fortune from racing? Start with a large fortune, here we have an idea that could help people to get a small fortune from a medium one while racing. Will open up racing to far more.

[Shaun]

How about increase cost efficiency. And have a life too, and maybe even a property a wife and a family one day aswell. Racing was robbing me of a future. So few actually make money at it. As has been said, how to make a small fortune from racing? Start with a large fortune, here we have an idea that could help people to get a small fortune from a medium one while racing. Will open up racing to far more.

The whole TOTAL idea of this std of racing, is to try and help create more arses on seats out there! So if ONE does get serious, they then move up the SS600 class with all the fruit.

Racing for the Rider is 95% in the Head

My thoughts on this were, if bikes are all the same, it would encourage more into the nats etc? and then if you are showing true potentuall and you are hook line and sinker "as it goes" You can then commit your entire life/income/ to getting the Cash reqd to do like most of our current and past TOP fast riders have done. etc

Before you can Run, you must Walk, Ring a bell this thought to any one who does not think the potentuall of this class has it's good points?

Arses on seats again, is all I want to see

YES, lower/less quality sus has it's down falls, ie, potentuall crashes etc, but the bike only goes as fast as YOU pull the trigger and if you cannot ride STD ok, you could not ride Tricked out gear ok, as the set up etc for Trick gear, is normally a lot furmer, so it can be pushed more by a compient rider. Yes Tricked up gear can be modified to a softer " For example only" setting, But do you actually even Know how to race properly yet? ie, line choice, mind set training, bike set up, tire pressures, ride hight effects, more or less Pre load effect, Wow, it can go on and on just learning to be a racer only.

The fast dudes, are always just going to be fast, and the average, is always only going to be just that, some people are gifted with a strange bent for Speed, and others are just not.

So why not just a standard Low cost class, to get more arses out there, and we will find find a few more starts of the future, I am sure.

[wharfy]

The whole TOTAL idea of this std of racing, is to try and help create more arses on seats out there! So if ONE does get serious, they then move up the SS600 class with all the fruit.........

.........The fast dudes, are always just going to be fast, and the average, is always only going to be just that, some people are gifted with a strange bent for Speed, and others are just not...........

.........So why not just a standard Low cost class, to get more arses out there, and we will find find a few more starts of the future, I am sure.

Yes and even those of us who are never going to be stars can have some fun ( that is only slightly more expensive than golf. )

[Coyote]

I thought that in practice it was the other way round i.e ''work harder, millions on welfare depend on you''

Actually, we're both right. The extremely rich weasel out of paying most of their taxes and do everything in their power to keep wages low and stifle unions and a bunch of other shit, the dole bludgers get given money and sell a bit of pot on the side whilst watching the TV they just bought off a shifty character for cheap. Everyone in between gets screwed.

Waaaaaaaayyyyy over generalised, but stereotypes become stereotypes because they're true.

I'm pro-dictatorship, or pro-blowing-the-world-to-shit.

[vtec]

Don't worry Coyote, you don't need to blow the world to shit. Deregulation of the finance system or the financial (non-productive) economy has started a systemic collapse of the worlds financial and wealth system. There will be a new world order at the end of it. Come gold mining/panning with me in the South Island till it's over. hahaha. when lots of businesses have failed and the economy starts to pick up again, there will be business gaps to fill, and entrepreneurialship may yet again be encouraged and rewarding.

I'm pro-dictatorship but only if I get to be the dictator. Half the problem with the world is that the people with power are all old grumpy bureaucrats. That's why nothing gets done. The way they see it, if they have to deal with lots of paperwork and regulations all the time, why shouldn't everybody else.

[wbks]

Actually, we're both right. The extremely rich weasel out of paying most of their taxes and do everything in their power to keep wages low and stifle unions and a bunch of other shit, the dole bludgers get given money and sell a bit of pot on the side whilst watching the TV they just bought off a shifty character for cheap. Everyone in between gets screwed.

Waaaaaaaayyyyy over generalised, but stereotypes become stereotypes because they're true.

I'm pro-dictatorship, or pro-blowing-the-world-to-shit.

Ok, Stalin

[Coyote]

Ok, Stalin

You're on the hit list now.

[jrandom]

Ya know what they say Robert...............All this bagging of Aunty Helen...........you're not hiding some secret love fetish are ya?

That's Ayn Rand in the picture. I thought she'd be more to Robert's taste.

Funny, she and Helen do look a bit alike, now that you mention it.

[Robert Taylor]

That's Ayn Rand in the picture. I thought she'd be more to Robert's taste.

Funny, she and Helen do look a bit alike, now that you mention it.

You forgot Margaret Thatcher!

[jrandom]

You forgot Margaret Thatcher!

And you call me twisted.

[limbimtimwim]

I would think the stock suspension on a Jap 600 would be designed with an average european male in mind.

So at 80kg most should be just fine on those bikes.

And I think they handle okay and fuel okay. You just need to work with the hand you have been dealt in your choice of machine.

The suspension and fuelling are just distractions.

If I was in a SuperStock 600 race and being beaten horribly, I'd know I'd need to try harder or go home. I couldn't pin my crap lap times on someone having spent money on flash suspension or horsepower, just me.

[Robert Taylor]

I would think the stock suspension on a Jap 600 would be designed with an average european male in mind.

So at 80kg most should be just fine on those bikes.

And I think they handle okay and fuel okay. You just need to work with the hand you have been dealt in your choice of machine.

The suspension and fuelling are just distractions.

If I was in a SuperStock 600 race and being beaten horribly, I'd know I'd need to try harder or go home. I couldn't pin my crap lap times on someone having spent money on flash suspension or horsepower, just me.

Heck, youd better tell everyone involved in World Supersport 600 your thoughts. Nearly all of the riders weigh less than 80kg so ''stock suspension is just fine.'' Also given that the manufacturers often say its ''race bed and fully adjustable'' If many of these marketing types kept continuously saying that the world is flat many may believe it.
The standard fuel mapping on many production fuel injected bikes is ( frankly ) awful. SV1000 is one that springs to mind.
Shauns post about the objectives of his proposal made a lot of sense as he is not for a moment trying to say black is white or vice versa.

[limbimtimwim]

Heck, youd better tell everyone involved in World Supersport 600 your thoughts. Nearly all of the riders weigh less than 80kg so ''stock suspension is just fine.'' Also given that the manufacturers often say its ''race bed and fully adjustable'' If many of these marketing types kept continuously saying that the world is flat many may believe it.

I contend your average fat lumpy kiwis who are not in world superstock will do fine, because they'd probably average out around 80kg. Anybody wanting to race in an international race series can afford a suspension and engine person (or at least someone competent at both) to do some work, the cost of travel and entry would far outweigh cost of the bike. Did I miss something or was this a proposal for the whole world, or just NZ?

If you were to say the stock suspension on (say) a stock SV650 was unsafe, I'd tend to agree with you, but modern 600cc sports bikes good enough.

Of course flashy suspension is much better than the stock stuff. I recently had a very short trip on a 1098R and was just amazed at how... uhh.. amazing the suspension was.

The standard fuel mapping on many production fuel injected bikes is ( frankly ) awful. SV1000 is one that springs to mind.

So? You roll with it. You keep it where it works best in the rev range, you don't work the throttle like it hates. No one is proposing to race the SV1000 anyway (Like.. Eww..). The suspension and fuelling on any modern 600cc sports bike is more than adequate for going around a race track.

[Robert Taylor]

I contend your average fat lumpy kiwis who are not in world superstock will do fine, because they'd probably average out around 80kg. Anybody wanting to race in an international race series can afford a suspension and engine person (or at least someone competent at both) to do some work, the cost of travel and entry would far outweigh cost of the bike. Did I miss something or was this a proposal for the whole world, or just NZ?

If you were to say the stock suspension on (say) a stock SV650 was unsafe, I'd tend to agree with you, but modern 600cc sports bikes good enough.

Of course flashy suspension is much better than the stock stuff. I recently had a very short trip on a 1098R and was just amazed at how... uhh.. amazing the suspension was.
So? You roll with it. You keep it where it works best in the rev range, you don't work the throttle like it hates. No one is proposing to race the SV1000 anyway (Like.. Eww..). The suspension and fuelling on any modern 600cc sports bike is more than adequate for going around a race track.

Then we have to disagree, it seems so many in this country think near enough is good enough. Little wonder I see the disastrous results of it on a weekly basis.