Enigma
Glen, just reading some of the last few posts concerning weight. I spent a few years in 410cc Prod. and in my prime was 80 kgs.(yes I was !) One of the bigger blokes I guess ? I had a mate, A.Hughson, who at the time was under 50kg wringing wet , in his socks ! 30kg difference !!!!!!!!
At somewhere like Manfeild on the straight he would come past like he had a turbo ! Made it hard work each lap. On 600 upwards bikes, it wasn't so much of a problem. Gaz.
Hardcore Biker
Hey cowpoos, didn't mean to piss you off man sorry.
Just in response I didn't expect tyres to last a season, but if you can get them to last a round on standard suspension that's all I'm asking. As someone has said 3k is what many people are willing to spend on their whole racing budget not just suspension. I'm not saying that you should be able to race 600's for 3k per season, just that having 3k less spent on the bike would include many more riders, every extra thousand becomes exponentially more difficult to come up with.
I know you know more about suspension than I do cowpoos, but still handling problems can be ridden around, they will slow you down, but again, same boat = fair. Anyway I'm just repeating myself so I'll shut up.
Me at 72kg's I'm sure that 600's std suspension will have plenty in reserve for me. And the comments about the CBR250RR being an entirely unfair comparison are untrue. You still brake just as hard on the 250 as you do on the 600, you still get the bastard at full lean with the elbow just about on the ground and it weighs about the same. It does have SHIT suspension in comparison to the 600s. Only real differences being on the power out of the corners, in which case the rear shock has to deal with much larger forces. And you have to brake from speeds 270kph as opposed to 190kph.
Stock suspension is fine as long as everyone is on it.
With regard to Jay mentioning a large number of people crashing in the last two laps of the R6 virgin mobile cup. I think that was the documentary of a whole bunch of young lads competing that I watched. If I remember rightly the crashes were due to desperation, as the race and all their investments were coming to a culmination, and one muppet did a dive on the brakes and took out 3 riders when he dropped the front. He over rode his setups ability due to desperation, it was rider error not equipment failure.
Hardcore Biker
About size.... now do you think that this sport would be as big if we made the rules favour the "smaller" riders.... if thats the case racing would go up due to less entrys and for some silly reason the cost of track hire going up like petrol did and in return putting up entry fees, also with stock suspenison this would also over use a tire therefore nailing the snot out of it by the end of the day having a feel of marbles on the track giving a higher chance of putting the bike upside down and after a few crashes and few bent bits do you think this may over come the price of some after market suspenison.
Please correct me if im wrong but racing in the rain without wets.... hello saftey here please, racing in posties during our wet winter seing some guys on proddie tires showing some really cool slide angles but yet didnt seem to be going fast yet add more horsepower what does this bring to mind.... high side city.
Im a border line fatty when it comes to racing at 93kgs and I feel with the limits on this idea just wouldnt work for me and it seems to be to a few other riders here, but to say we cant go far because of it is to be honest is a bit hasty... does anybody here from the older days remember Kevin "bubbles" grey??? no disrespect to kev but he looked like a tank on a mini moto but yet could run top 10 at national level superbikes, raced overseas also had a offer at the isle, you tell me isnt that a bit further then some of the skinny lads??
yes it was an issue for straight line speed but he worked hard and had a good set of balls on him to make up for it... joys of being a big bastard I guess.
Motorsport is a costly game your a idiot if you think its cheap... we allready have a street stock class and now a pro twin if you dont wanna spend heaps of money on racing street stock it is, if you have a bit extra then pro twins is the next step but why have another stock class??
Shauns idea is great its alot like the sv rent a racer in 2001 but once again no disrespect I feel that this will only last 2 years even with a good following and I only say that due to nz just isnt big enough for it (I would love to be proving wrong here I really do)
Hopefully I havent rocked the boat to much here.
Growin' up as a kid, always thinkin', you know If I could ever just race motorcycles and make a living that would be the coolest thing know to mankind.
Hardcore Biker
Why have another stock class?
Because Pro-twins aren't truly stock racing or cheap. And Streetstocks, well I won that easily in my first season it wasn't a true proving ground. 600 production stock bikes would be an affordable proving ground and a major step up from streetstocks. And they are far cooler and better than SV's. Although Codgy has proved they can be a weapon.
You don't need to win the series to prove yourself as a rider so if you don't want to race in the wet on production tyres. Likewise if you can't afford wets then just don't race in the wet. So the wet tyre rule could arguably go either way. Production race tyres in the wet are fucking scary. I've done it and crashed a couple of times, but I've also outqualified Jay Lawrence (sorry Jay you're always my benchmark) and Nick Cole in the wet on production tyres (on a non-competitive bike), still not advisable.
Forum whore
( Cynically ) I think if many of the classes were half the cost ( impossible without socialist style subsidies ) there would still be those bemoaning the cost.Originally Posted by worm13
e mare libertas
Perhaps so, but there'd be twice as many happily getting on with it.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
OK, so who's next?
My 2c....
I ran stock suspension on my old shitta (50,000 k old too) for ages, still fairly competitive on the taupo short track where power wasn't an issue (and even the long track...to a point), and I weighed in at a 'healthy' 100+ kgs....New stock suspension would be fine I reckon
anything that gets the costs down is cool by me.
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Forum whore
That remains to be seen I think
Forum whore
My 2c....
I ran stock suspension on my old shitta (50,000 k old too) for ages, still fairly competitive on the taupo short track where power wasn't an issue (and even the long track...to a point), and I weighed in at a 'healthy' 100+ kgs....New stock suspension would be fine I reckon
anything that gets the costs down is cool by me.
Errrrrm....how stock...was your stock suspension Fella?? I think a few of us know how bright you are in this arena...are you saying you nevber had a play??
Forum whore
and we are talking RACING here. It is not a cheapy sport for all comers regardless of economy (physical shape, ability, hand eye co-ordination...). I don't like some looters, socialist idea that just because you are poor and jealous and you want to drag everyone down to your level of budget that you can. 600's are not cheap to race a season on regardless. (I know I did it). My 05 R6 in 2006/2007 was bog standard engine wise and a few extra bits in the springy bits and slow down bits, but AFTER that the cost of going to race meets, paying for tyres, entry fees, food gas, sharing a generator, ...etc etc was where a whole lot more costs came in. (In fact so much it is why the wife screamed "NO MORE!!!") If you think you are saving money by sticking with standard bouncy parts, then good on you. Experts say you don't save money in the end, and every one pretty much agrees you go slower with them. So if you race a season what is the point...
"...New Zealanders, for all their faults, have virtues that are precious: an unwillingness to be intimidated by the new, the formidable, or class systems; trust in situations where there would otherwise be none; compassion for the underdog; a sense of responsibility for people in difficulty; not undertaking to do something without seeing it through - "
Michael King
Forum whore
Yes, the politics of envy. So endemic in this country. You do make vaild points about the ''incidental'' costs and getting to and from.
e mare libertas
Sounds to me like yous fullas could do with a pin-up girl to relieve some tension over.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
Here for the arcade.
I believe only people will tonnes of money should be allowed to race. The poor should be too busy working to feed the rich. Fuck you socialist cunts. Rarr.
Forum whore
I thought that in practice it was the other way round i.e ''work harder, millions on welfare depend on you''
Forum whore
Heck that now explains fully the twisted nature of many of your posts! Time for a serious update.Sounds to me like yous fullas could do with a pin-up girl to relieve some tension over.
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