My idea of Production 600 rules

[Shaun]

Then we have to disagree, it seems so many in this country think near enough is good enough. Little wonder I see the disastrous results of it on a weekly basis.

I think you need to slow down a little with your replies on here Robert.

Your reply above was in relation to some one saying that the standard product on Suzuki or Honda or yamaha or Kawasaki was safe enough to put on the track!

Your replie reads that the standard product these companies release there bikes with is Disastrous!

That is a very big thing to be saying mate.

I can understand you seeing disastrous results from people trying to modify what they do not know about, but the base product is safe and reasnoable quality, or the USA people would be suing all importers for all there road crashes! "Fact" " It is the USA way"

I won the Isle of man in 03, using standard internalls in both my bikes, just oil and spring changes only, so not such a bad product really, and you know how fussy I can be with bike set up

[Cleve]

That's Ayn Rand in the picture. I thought she'd be more to Robert's taste.

Funny, she and Helen do look a bit alike, now that you mention it.

There is a smart man who knows his stuff. Atlas Shrugged. Best book ever and still relevant. A must read... (does she really look like Helen??!)

[Robert Taylor]

I think you need to slow down a little with your replies on here Robert.

Your reply above was in relation to some one saying that the standard product on Suzuki or Honda or yamaha or Kawasaki was safe enough to put on the track!

Your replie reads that the standard product these companies release there bikes with is Disastrous!

That is a very big thing to be saying mate.

I can understand you seeing disastrous results from people trying to modify what they do not know about, but the base product is safe and reasnoable quality, or the USA people would be suing all importers for all there road crashes! "Fact" " It is the USA way"

I won the Isle of man in 03, using standard internalls in both my bikes, just oil and spring changes only, so not such a bad product really, and you know how fussy I can be with bike set up

Yes I hear you, what I said was in haste and could easily have been misconstrued. I do though see disatrous results often as a result of the diy attitude.

For constantly seeking improvement to what is mediocrity I offer no apology.

Point of fact that same bike you won the I of M on had an Ohlins rear shock and if anyone was going to be able to get away with stock front fork internals it was you, given your light body mass. Different on a closed permanent race course though.

[svr]

There is a smart man who knows his stuff. Atlas Shrugged. Best book ever and still relevant. A must read... (does she really look like Helen??!)

Unfortunately for Rand-style certaintist Objectivism, advances in science and philosophy have revealed her the dinosaur in thought that she is in appearance.
And anyway the best book ever written is Pirsig's `Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance'.

[Cleve]

Unfortunately for Rand-style certaintist Objectivism, advances in science and philosophy have revealed her the dinosaur in thought that she is in appearance.
And anyway the best book ever written is Pirsig's `Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance'.

indeed also a good read... but surely you can imagine a race bike made of Reardon Metal ...

[Cleve]

Unfortunately for Rand-style certaintist Objectivism, advances in science and philosophy have revealed her the dinosaur in thought that she is in appearance.

But to diverge a little more I disagree that the philosophy of objectivism is irrelevant because a "sci fi" novel got a few things about the future wrong...
Objectivism holds that the moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness, that the only social system is one of full respect for individual rights.

It says that fascism, socialism and communism – any form of state intervention in society – is systemically and fatally flawed.

No dinosaurs there...

[Scoot_6R]

Learn dude learn...if youy are that fast you will have to anyway.
You don't get to the top of anything in life with out hard work and sacrifice..
if you put a average effort in...you get average result out..

I think the sort of thing you and glenn are pushing for is grossly unfair...you guy weight shit all of anything...stock bike DO NOT HANDLE...I say that again...DO NOT HANDLE WELL!!! for heavier people...and taller people...I don't car what crasher and scrivy say...pete is a lil fella and scrivy is hardly big...neither yourself or sketch are big either....so why penilise us?? because that is what your doing...shaun is also not a big man. I rode the 810 how he had it set up for its originoal owner...and glenn was not a big man but he loved it!...but to me..handled like a piece of shit...put the brakes on...straight into a vicious stoppie after blowing through the full stroke of the forks in a instant...turned way way too fast...and I screwed a brand new rear racetech in three sessions at a manfield test day..dispite the ohlins on the rear..why all this??? the suspension was completely wrong for my size and weight... but that same bike...before I rode it...was praised so so very very highly by White trash as being the best bike he had ever riden...doing everything he asked of it...and felt fantastic...can you imagine why that could be??? it is the lack of physical precence the dude has...[thats a nice way of saying it aye Jimmie]...

So tell me...not just you Vtec...any of you...how wrong I am???

and yes...I think Shauns concept is good...cheap racing!! he's bound to get peoples attention...and he has..and good on him!!...but it far from provides a level playing field...supersport is much closer.

But hey...we have protwins...if you want to go faster...we have supersport. and motorsport ain't cheap...deal with it!! and the people at the top have paid for a hell of alot of lunches in thier time!!

Amen to that!!