Lest we forget... New Zealand's shame

[Hitcher]

to address the root of the problem would be to alienate their voter base...

State-sanctioned genocide would probably alienate most "voter bases". Funny that.

[Winston001]

Can anyone come up with something other than selective genocide (after the event)?

Very little discussion or acknowledgement of prevalence and types of child abuse through out all societies and across time. Almost no reflection here on causal factors (and how we may contribute to these conditions). Not much about prevention.

Pointless thread from where I'm sitting

Not meaning to pick on you but what do you suggest? What are your ideas? How would you prevent any more Nia Glassies, Kahui twins etc?

[Number One]

Can anyone come up with something other than selective genocide (after the event)?

Very little discussion or acknowledgement of prevalence and types of child abuse through out all societies and across time. Almost no reflection here on causal factors (and how we may contribute to these conditions). Not much about prevention.

Pointless thread from where I'm sitting

You sound as if you might be full of ideas....why not share then

[MadDuck]

Not much about prevention.

At what point does society decide on prevention when it cant even decide on what to do when its happening right now?

Case in point I had reason to call the police (as I am sure you are all sick of hearing) because of what was happening next door. The kid is still there...the parents are still doped up...the cops say the kid is fine just should be asleep in bed.

At some point one just gives up. But you go on ahead tell us how to solve this issue I look forward to hear what you would do.

[Winston001]

Hmmmm.......silence from our circuit breaker......

Solutions. I'm not aware of any proven approaches overseas but NZ does have a disproportionately high rate of physical child abuse. I'd say that has something to do with our culture - or more correctly, the sub-culture some people live with.

Yes the UK, Oz, and the USA have these awful events too but statistically at lower rates than NZ. I've tried to find tables to see where Scandanavia fits because those countries often top tables for their standard of living, social welfare, and low crime rates. What are they doing differently? There must be some common ethic in those cultures which restrains or controls the sick, mentally ill, and bad parents. They can't escape having a certain proportion of them, so what is their answer?

[Winston001]

And because I don't know when to leave something alone......here is a case of alleged abuse by a real estate agent who force-fed wasabi to a child, jammed fingers in a door etc... http://www.stuff.co.nz/4786639a12855.html

The defence appears to be "reasonable discipline...."

[Mom]

And because I don't know when to leave something alone......here is a case of alleged abuse by a real estate agent who force-fed wasabi to a child, jammed fingers in a door etc... http://www.stuff.co.nz/4786639a12855.html

The defence appears to be "reasonable discipline...."

Yep, yep, yep. At risk of being shot down completely here, this sort of case would never have seen the light of day unless Sue Bradford had got her bill passed.

I dont agree with the all sweeping nature of it btw, in fact am opposed to it in large measures ( I was a criminal in her eyes you see, my kids got the odd wallop when deserved).

[carver]

you know what will happen to the curtis boys in the slammer...

i knew what happened to a guy in there on similar charges, even when he gets out his life will be hell, my friends fire bombed this guys car and ran him out of town, they wanted to kill him, and i mean seriously kill him.

[Hitcher]

and i mean seriously kill him.

As opposed to flippantly or frivolously killing him?

[98tls]

you know what will happen to the curtis boys in the slammer...

i knew what happened to a guy in there on similar charges, even when he gets out his life will be hell, my friends fire bombed this guys car and ran him out of town, they wanted to kill him, and i mean seriously kill him.

Wrong,they will wimper until they go to the segregation unit with all the other fuck-ups and serve out there sentence.No different than the widely publicised rapists released recently.

[carver]

Wrong,they will wimper until they go to the segregation unit with all the other fuck-ups and serve out there sentence.No different than the widely publicised rapists released recently.

haha, you think the other boys will leave them alone?

[carver]

As opposed to flippantly or frivolously killing him?

thats a manslaughter charge, they could have run him over in a car accidentally

[98tls]

haha, you think the other boys will leave them alone?

Put money on the fact they will,ever seen the fuck-ups in a segregation unit.

[carver]

Put money on the fact they will,ever seen the fuck-ups in a segregation unit.

no, never, tell me more

[98tls]

no, never, tell me more

The only hardship they suffer is on a Sunday morning when to go to visiting they have to walk past the mainstream units yard,in doing so they get covered in everything from shit to spit,apart from that they suffer nothing other than confinement...sadly.