First Races

[dpex]

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I've seen it before when relatively quick road riders make it to the track for the first time they really attack the corners, brake late in and accelerate hard out blah, blah, but what most don't do is get the bike turned enough in between. The consequence from this, the rider arrives at the exit of the corner with the bike pointed at the outside of the turn with no way to make it around carrying their current throttle percentage/lean angle.

The rider now has two options, bottle out, chop the throttle and lose all the drive they got from being on the gas early or they bottle up and go for more lean angle to make the turn. The second option could work for you eight or nine times out of ten and you'd definitely get the impression that your rear tyre is working right up to the eighth or ninth time when you realise that you're now sliding on your arse following the bike down the track or you've just suddenly gained six feet in altitude and are watching you're bike disintegrate from up there and hoping for a soft landing yourself(fat chance)

So as Mr Random said the slow down to go fast thing is best way at the beginning. Accuracy is more important at this stage and speed comes from that. Getting the bike to the apex of the turn and heading in the right direction is the key here, corner exits will come a lot easier from a well sorted entry.

Just a little thing I've told people, it's a bit simplistic but please don't feel patronised.

If you are opening the throttle(accelerating) you must be picking the bike up, if you need more lean, hold constant throttle or roll off slightly. Like I said this is very simplistic but you should see a dramatic decrease rear end lowsides if you stick with this.

As I said this could all be wrong for you but I hope you can take something from it.[/QUOTE]
Hey man! That's really good advice. But when you say "roll out" do you mean stand the bike up a bit or lay it down further?

I've got a bunch of track days between now and the next PMCC round, and I intend to use them for my learning benefit, not my ego. :--))

[Sully60]

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Hey man! That's really good advice. But when you say "roll out" do you mean stand the bike up a bit or lay it down further?

I've got a bunch of track days between now and the next PMCC round, and I intend to use them for my learning benefit, not my ego. :--))

Roll out of the throttle, you should avoid just lettng the throttle snap shut whilst the bike is leaned over as this is definately rough handling.
So just like rolling on the throttle smoothly out of a turn, if you have to slow down to tighten the line just roll the throttle back to a lower setting.
You can hold the same lean angle around any given corner but end up in a completely different place on the track due to the speed you're carrying, play around next track day on some of the longer corners (more time to see recognise whats happening ), set your lean angle and see how much the throttle affects where you end up heading.

Edit: Just to clarify, if you need to lean over further to make your line then you should be rolling out of the throttle, again overly simplistic but I think you get the point.

[Biggles08]

Just to add my two cents worth in....sorry about the lowside in our race dpex...sucky man....as for how to not do it again, the thing I found useful in getting my initial confidence in cornering harder was trying to think of two corners as one...in other words, think ahead of where you want to be at the exit of the corner which in fact is the entry to the next corner. This "makes" you smoother by default as you are thinking of speed versus track position. As someone has mentioned earlier...the easier you are on changing anything rapidly as far as direction and speed goes, the 'smoother' you become. Try to turn in sets of corners rather than individual ones.....does that make any sense???? hehehe....but your right....what a buzz!

[HEADACHE]

Perhaps you should learn to listen and understand the advice given to you trackside by a fellow that was there. Why second guess him?? He was there.


No point asking the same question twice when you haven't even attempted to learn the advice already given.


Idiot.

[dpex]

Perhaps you should learn to listen and understand the advice given to you trackside by a fellow that was there. Why second guess him?? He was there.


No point asking the same question twice when you haven't even attempted to learn the advice already given.


Idiot.

Firstly, Headache, I never accept any one single opinion about anything. My habit is to keep asking the same type of question till I find I keep getting consistent answers.

As I'm sure you'll appreciate, every man has an opinion on every-thing. An opinion remains so until it is borne out by sundry support opinions.

Keith Code is arguably great, but many opinions I have heard, disagree with his posits.

Secondly,. I'm not an idiot. I'm a silly old cunt, (put the emphasis on either of those superlatives as you wish) and I'd appreciate you remembering that 'fact'.

[dpex]

Well, I haven't actually watched him ride, so, y'know. Whatever you say.

I see you are sitting in 5th position. And I see you haven't watched me ride.

Well, my good buddy, you will get a chance to watch me ride as you look forward during the next series, while sitting in 6th position. :--))))

The gauntlet is flung. Let the jousting begin!

BTW: Any chance Mrs J might act as my brolly-girl on the day, just to show she favours nobody? :--))

I almost talked Bruce Telford's wife into Brollying on the dummy grid, but I guess Bruce must have got huffy cos she didn't show up (twice).

[dpex]

Just to add my two cents worth in....sorry about the lowside in our race dpex...sucky man....as for how to not do it again, the thing I found useful in getting my initial confidence in cornering harder was trying to think of two corners as one...in other words, think ahead of where you want to be at the exit of the corner which in fact is the entry to the next corner. This "makes" you smoother by default as you are thinking of speed versus track position. As someone has mentioned earlier...the easier you are on changing anything rapidly as far as direction and speed goes, the 'smoother' you become. Try to turn in sets of corners rather than individual ones.....does that make any sense???? hehehe....but your right....what a buzz!

Having thought about the event almost constantly, and having read through again, more of Twist Of The Wrist, I now am fairly sure I went too wide, pussied out by 'snapping' off the throttle while being way low and too slow.

That seems like a fairly good formula for a low-side at that speed.

[dpex]

During the various track-days between now and the day I show JRandom a clean pair of heels, I intend to get very analytical about what I 'am' doing, not what I'm not doing.

I'm going to buy a voice recorder and comment on everything I do, then go back to the pits and play it back till I know what to do, better.

Code is very clear on this approach, and his opinion makes complete sense.

[jrandom]

... the day I show JRandom a clean pair of heels

You do know it's traditional to offer to place a bet when talking big talk about how you're going to beat someone in a race series, aye?



Are you a scotch drinker?

[dpex]

You do know it's traditional to offer to place a bet when talking big talk about how you're going to beat someone in a race series, aye?



Are you a scotch drinker?

Rich red wine is my tipple. One Wolf Blass Black Label-V-a bottle of that vile brew the heathen Scots piss into bottles, seems like a fair wager. :--))

[jrandom]

Rich red wine is my tipple. One Wolf Blass Black Label-V-a bottle of that vile brew the heathen Scots piss into bottles, seems like a fair wager. :--))

You're on! Payout to be after round 3 based on who's higher in the points table?

If you do happen to win, and feel like branching out beyond the Antipodes, I could pick you up a nice bottle from these folk; they're usually very accommodating with explaining all the labels that I can't read...

You'll have to win first, though. Make mine a bottle of Glenlivet.

[Biggles08]

oooohhhhh.....wagers....I want some of this action!!!! lol

[jrandom]

oooohhhhh.....wagers....I want some of this action!!!! lol

What, you want us to bet on whether you're going to win the series or, um, win the series?



(You'll be moving to F2 for the winter series, right?)

[Biggles08]

What, you want us to bet on whether you're going to win the series or, um, win the series?



(You'll be moving to F2 for the winter series, right?)

you trying to get rid of me D? I feel hurt now But yes...this will probably be the only clubmans series for me in PMCC. I will be entering the AMCC protecta club champs round 2 in clubmans though...missed the first meet but I'll see if I can be near the front in that series too ...be afraid...be very afraid!

As for a wager...maybe a 'clean sweep' wager would be a goody!

[FROSTY:Me]

OK I'm in on this smeck talk. Can I enter into your little group then??
Clubmans racing on whatever Ive got in stock at the time ?
Mind you at this stage the closest thing I've got is a FJR1300 but heck I'm game