Terrorist (namely muslim) cowards

[pzkpfw]

Maybe we need a modern day crusade of sorts.
Its the targeting of innocent people that just makes it sickening for me.

That's the whole problem with how you deal with these folk (the terrorists).

I don't believe every Muslim is a fanatic (actually I have good friends who are Muslim...).

So what are we gonna do? Carpet-bomb Muslim villages? Are those people not innocent?

(I know that's not what you (marioc) were saying at all - just extrapolating.)

For a moment I thought "bomb every Mosque where the leaders don't specifically work against this terrorism", make the whole religion stop this madness, but then I remembered the hate that comes out of some "Christian" churches in the Western world. Do we bomb them too?


In the end I think it just has to come down to making people learn about each other, and remove poverty so people can't be arsed blowing themselves up anymore. Keep it up for a while, so no-one remembers a recent relative who'se died due to the "others" and we'd be halfway there.

I like those kindergartens in Israel where Palestinian and Jewish kids get to play together. That's good stuff.

[Mikkel]

Your link doesn't work.

If you can read this, then the link works.

[Jantar]

Your link doesn't work.

It worked fine when I tried it.

[Mikkel]

Christians may have changed their methods in 600 years but not that much has changed. People still die on a regular basis for that religion, which is primarily responsible for lots of recent nasty wars/insurrections such as Northern Ireland and Bosnia.

Indeed, the difference is that you won't be able to find - as far as I know - any country in the world where you can be punished as a dissenter simply because you denounce Christianity.

It's been at least a decade since the last person was put to the stake for heresy, witchcraft, claiming the earth is round and orbits the sun, etc.

Neither would I expect the Spanish Inquisition to come knocking on my door - although their chief weapon is surprise and fear...

[imdying]

they believe that women, children, civilians are all legitimate targets

During times of war, they are legitimate targets. This nancy boy limited war crap is one of the most retarded concepts ever. The western concept of war might differ from theirs, but it's war none the less. If you're gonna have a war, then it might as well be 'all on'. They're not terrorists, they're soldiers

[Jantar]

... They're not terrorists, they're soldiers

In which case they will be wearing a recognisable uniform, and dog tags (or similar military ID). If in civilian clothing and carrying out their war, then they should expect to be called terrorists.

[imdying]

In which case they will be wearing a recognisable uniform, and dog tags (or similar military ID). If in civilian clothing and carrying out their war, then they should expect to be called terrorists.

Why? So they match your preconceived ideas or some international 'law' about what a solider is and isn't? Really?

[PirateJafa]

In which case they will be wearing a recognisable uniform, and dog tags (or similar military ID). If in civilian clothing and carrying out their war, then they should expect to be called terrorists.

Uniforms and dog tags are really Western concepts. Isn't the whole point here that they don't want to be like the West?

[Oscar]

Indeed, the difference is that you won't be able to find - as far as I know - any country in the world where you can be punished as a dissenter simply because you denounce Christianity.

It's been at least a decade since the last person was put to the stake for heresy, witchcraft, claiming the earth is round and orbits the sun, etc.

Neither would I expect the Spanish Inquisition to come knocking on my door - although their chief weapon is surprise and fear...

That may be true (although I would imagine you could still get a pretty nasty seeing to for blasphemy in Latin Countries). However, a lot of the current mess the planet finds itself in is down to (at least in part) the Fundamentalist Christian agenda of the two Bush Administrations.

And it ain't just about war, either - how many poor bastards suffer each day because of the Vatican's prohibition on Contraception and Abortion? How much has that added to the squalor in the countries like Brazil?

Just because Christians don't burn people at the stake any more doesn't make them any less blood thirsty - far from it, being civilized makes 'em more efficient.

[puddytat]

I reckon that because all religions believe in the sanctity of life (i.e anti abortion) that those who kill are hypocrites....
I reckon that we'd be better off killing unborn, unwanted babies,religion again is stopping the discussion of the serious problem of lebensraum & over population which I see as being why so many religious zealots have far to many children which they cant feed properly half the time. And thier fukked up belief stops them from actually doin' anything about it & so they blame everybody else for thier poverty struck predicament.....

[Jantar]

Why? So they match your preconceived ideas or some international 'law' about what a solider is and isn't? Really?

Not my preconceived idea, the Geneva convention's preconceived idea. Oh, but these soldiers are members of a religion, not a nation, so they aren't bound by the Geneva convention? So they are terrorists.

[Hitcher]

This whole geopolitical boundaries idea is so last century. The Internet, terrorists, and pirates are classic examples of how our world struggles to cope with things that don't have a country of origin label on them.

[Oscar]

Not my preconceived idea, the Geneva convention's preconceived idea. Oh, but these soldiers are members of a religion, not a nation, so they aren't bound by the Geneva convention? So they are terrorists.

Western Nations contravene that convention all the time.

How many pictures of captured Iraqi Soldiers did you see published in the two Gulf Wars? Not only does it breach the Geneva Convention, it's something Western Politicians/Media went ballistic about when the shoe was on the other foot.

What about the use of physical restraints on prisoners? (Again summat the West is very hypocritical about).

How many US soldiers have you seen using shot guns?

What about Guantanamo Bay? If it doesn't breach the Geneva Convention, it falls foul of habeas corpus...and probably breaches both.

[MisterD]

I reckon that because all religions believe in the sanctity of life (i.e anti abortion) that those who kill are hypocrites....

Of course they're hypocrites, Islam (and to be fair the Abrahamic common ground of the Old Testament) is very reliant on sanctioned violence. A successful religion needs to kill competing faiths either by conversion or killing of its believers, it also needs to produce as many easily progammable victims, sorry children, as possible.

[Mikkel]

That may be true (although I would imagine you could still get a pretty nasty seeing to for blasphemy in Latin Countries). However, a lot of the current mess the planet finds itself in is down to (at least in part) the Fundamentalist Christian agenda of the two Bush Administrations.

And it ain't just about war, either - how many poor bastards suffer each day because of the Vatican's prohibition on Contraception and Abortion? How uch has that added to the squalor in the countries like Brazil?

Just because Christians don't burn people at the stake any more doesn't make them any less blood thirsty - far from it, being civilized makes 'em more efficient.

I completely agree with this. Personally, I'm against organised religion of any kind. No matter what the individual follower may believe organised religion is only about one thing: Power, power through control of thought and behaviour. No matter how beautiful and benevolent the dogma may appear, that power is the only reason behind organised religion.
And the Roman-Catholic church is the most centralised and organised of all religions today and as a result they have the largest influence.

My previous posts were just to point out that the methodology of Islam is quite different from that of e.g. Christianity. Christianity has "grown-up" and adapted to the conditions that are prevalent for its followers. The same is true for Islam, however the followers of Islam are mainly situated in countries where the conditions are vastly different.

The tensions today arise because of the difference in these conditions. E.g. Mr. Ali Blogs in Islamistan sees all of these sinners live in luxury and can not make it fit into his idea of how the world should be. And on the other hand you have Mr. Joe Blogs in Capitalistan who hears about all of these atrocities taking place in Islamistan and it doesn't fit with how he perceives the world should be.
Of course neither Mr. Blogs nor Mr. Blogs is more or less right than the other... it's just how the world IS right now.