Terrorist (namely muslim) cowards

[SARGE]

If their not soldiers, they have civil rights.
Stuff like habeas corpus - you know one of those basic freedoms we have enjoyed in the west for 10 centuries - but not in the USA, 'cause Bush suspended it in the name of his fight for freedom...

if they are not soldiers and take up arms , under international law, they are "Enemy Combatants".. afforded the same rights as mercenaries..

if they dont take up arms or build bombs etc.. they are civilians and should move the fuck out of a war zone.. that why the Red Cross, the UN and hundreds of other refugee agencies exist..

[Oscar]

Oscar...
OUT OF CONTEXT (i think i may have mentioned "Out of Context" before?)
Context was the WHOLE sentence, being:
"The Americans supporting the Israelis/Jews in WW2 and currently in the Middle East is still persecution of the Jews by Christians?"

I can't be "out of context", if you aren't making any sense.

Explain to me in 40 words or less what your sentence means, as Israel didn't exist in WW2 and there was certainly little or no Allied reaction to the Holocaust during the actual war.

You may also wish to include this period or place of Christian peace and understanding that you refer to...

[Oscar]

if they are not soldiers and take up arms , under international law, they are "Enemy Combatants".. afforded the same rights as mercenaries..

if they dont take up arms or build bombs etc.. they are civilians and should move the fuck out of a war zone.. that why the Red Cross, the UN and hundreds of other refugee agencies exist..

Two questions, then:

1. If I have a an AK47 and shoot at you with it, what must I also do to be a soldier? Your definition of Enemy Combatants would seem to include the French Resistance in WW2, Viet Cong or even Paul Revere.

2. If the Iraqi army arrived in your neighbourhood to oust your Govt., would you "move the fuck out"?

[aewilliam]

There was outside interference - millions coming in from the USA to support the IRA, most of which ironically was used to buy weapons from Gaddafi.

You make a bloody sectarian uprising sound like a pub fight.

Not that i tried to or wanted to.
It sounds like you may have some personal experience with the conflicts in Northern Ireland.
Do you believe that the conflicts were caused by the Catholics fighting for the holiness of Mother Mary and the Blessed Sacrament, and the Protestants were fighting for the freedom to not have to believe in the two things mentioned above or the doctrinal differences in their faith? And that the walk down Falls Rd, or the millions $$$ from the USA was to do with this? I don't think that would be the case. You are free to say "yes" though.

This describes the IRA.
Who funded them, again?

Non- Christians/Jews/Muslims for sure (in the TRUE sense of the meaning...)

[SARGE]

Two questions, then:

1. If I have a an AK47 and shoot at you with it, what must I also do to be a soldier? Your definition of Enemy Combatants would seem to include the French Resistance in WW2, Viet Cong or even Paul Revere.

2. If the Iraqi army arrived in your neighbourhood to oust your Govt., would you "move the fuck out"?

its not MY definition.. its the Laws of Land Warfare as quoted above and below

To qualify for prisoner of war status persons waging war must have the following characteristics to be protected by the laws of war:

1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict
2. or members of militias not under the command of the armed forces
* that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
* that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
* that of carrying arms openly;
* that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
3. or are members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.
4. or inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.

for the second question..see #4

[aewilliam]

Can i contribute an answer?

2. If the Iraqi army arrived in your neighbourhood to oust your Govt., would you "move the fuck out"?

If I had access to the resources to support the defence of my neighbourhood, yes.
I don't think Sarge would "move the fuck out" , hjed be like on their ass!

[Jantar]

This describes the IRA.
Who funded them, again?

Wrong.... This describeD the IRA. Note the past tense.

[SARGE]

Can i contribute an answer?



If I had access to the resources to support the defence of my neighbourhood, yes.
I don't think Sarge would "move the fuck out" , hjed be like on their ass!

wouldnt strap a bomb to my fucking kid either...

maybe to Carver...

ok...defiantly to Carver

[Oscar]

Not that i tried to or wanted to.
It sounds like you may have some personal experience with the conflicts in Northern Ireland.
Do you believe that the conflicts were caused by the Catholics fighting for the holiness of Mother Mary and the Blessed Sacrament, and the Protestants were fighting for the freedom to not have to believe in the two things mentioned above or the doctrinal differences in their faith? And that the walk down Falls Rd, or the millions $$$ from the USA was to do with this? I don't think that would be the case. You are free to say "yes" though.



Non- Christians/Jews/Muslims for sure (in the TRUE sense of the meaning...)

Now you're starting to make sense.
The fight was originally religious but has denigrated into religion, politics and economics. It is a fight with roots 600 years old, but is still fundamentally about the schism in the Church.

The second part is pure doctrine though.
Of course you're going to tell me that Christians who kill aren't true followers, but you would say that, wouldn't you? It's just that if I were a cynical man I would have to note that there are an awful lot of these violent heretics (including most of the religious right in the US).

[aewilliam]

I can't be "out of context", if you aren't making any sense.
Explain to me in 40 words or less what your sentence means, as Israel didn't exist in WW2 and there was certainly little or no Allied reaction to the Holocaust during the actual war.
You may also wish to include this period or place of Christian peace and understanding that you refer to...

My bad...i was thinking about the aid setting up of the Israeli state as a form of support from the West, and the acceptance of mass refugees from Israel by America. Yes stuff was hard going, but it still was a sign of non-Anti-Semitism?
But 40 words or less? "America/The Allies didnt blow/gas/shoot the Jews in their masses during/after WWII...instead they made refuge available. And they now support the Jews in their fight against the terrorists. I dont see that as anti-Semitic."
MS word counts that as 33 words...

[Delerium]

thing is, terrorists hide in a civilian population, and avoid identification. A military force does not do this. This practice encourages civilian casualties. I think thats the point Sarge is trying to make.

I think it may also be a case of, if you dont want to 'play by the rules' so to speak, then neither will we, and guess what, we are the biggest baddest dog in the junk yard SO DONT F&*K WITH US! play by the rules and stop targeting non combatants.

And western nations shouls stop being so bleeding hart liberals and kick out the assholes that dont play by our rules. You have links with terrorists, there is the door. You dont want to show your face in court or on drivers license, there is the door. you WANT to come here? You live by OUR rules becuase this is MY country.

[Oscar]

its not MY definition.. its the Laws of Land Warfare as quoted above and below






for the second question..see #4

Interesting.

Most of the SpecOps unit in the west seem to be illegal.

How does this deal with indiscriminate bombing?
Why is a B2 pilot afforded more latitude than a grunt?
You need to be a lawyer to fight these days.

[Hitcher]

Why is a B2 pilot afforded more latitude than a grunt?

A commissioned grunt or a non-commissioned grunt? There's the thing about being an officer, it's about exercising discretion, within boundaries.

[Oscar]

My bad...i was thinking about the aid setting up of the Israeli state as a form of support from the West, and the acceptance of mass refugees from Israel by America. Yes stuff was hard going, but it still was a sign of non-Anti-Semitism?
But 40 words or less? "America/The Allies didnt blow/gas/shoot the Jews in their masses during/after WWII...instead they made refuge available. And they now support the Jews in their fight against the terrorists. I dont see that as anti-Semitic."
MS word counts that as 33 words...

Most of the refugees came from Europe (later from the USSR).
You were right in one sense, while the holocaust was going on, they didn't join in - but they did fuck all else.

The UK actively resisted and discouraged refugees to Palestine.
The Allies had very mixed feelings about the formation of the State of Israel, to the extent that some of the first terrorists in the region were Jewish (look up the Stern Gang) who were responsible for some very indiscriminate slaughter - ref. The King David Hotel bombing.

[Oscar]

A commissioned grunt or a non-commissioned grunt? There's the thing about being an officer, it's about exercising discretion, within boundaries.

We're starting to split hairs now.
Put it this way - what is the difference between being killed in the Twin Towers, or getting a Cruise Missile through the front door of yer Baghdad bomb shelter? Dead is dead, and yer relatives and friends are gonna be equally pissed of with however killed you...