Terrorist (namely muslim) cowards

[Sniper]

I miss KB. Where all conversations always do a complete 180 and then for fun another 270 to end up on a path that wasnt even on the map........

I love you guys

[Oscar]

I have a problem with this statement.

There has not been one piece of documentary or physical evidence from the supposed time of this person that supports the fact that he\she existed

Everything we hold to be evidence of this persons existance comes from a time afterwards.

The Jewish faith was a great keeper of records as was the Roman Empire and still they have no documents that actrually refer to this person that date to the supposed time of his living.

It's funny you mention it - I did actually hesitate afore writing that as I wonder if there was any proof that he existed. That's why I qualified my statement by saying "...anywhere near proven.."

I was making the assumption that there must be some basis for a document as weighty as the New Testament.

Notwithstanding that, even a bastid like me has limits - I figured that denying the existence of Christ to a Christian was going to make things a little tense...

[doc]

There are always at least two sides to every human experience. One person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. The winners get to write the history.

I wonder how you would comment after a road rage incident. Which is the closest most NZ'r experience from anger. The person who started the thread feels anger at the senseless of losing someone from a gutless act of bravery. Easy taking on an unamrmed target when you have all the weapons is a pretty low form of courage from my point of view. Sorry to those kb members who are members of the mongrel mob, but you don't cut the mustard in my book.

I'm not winding you up, I know your not moderating in this thread. Just leave the grammar out of it, ok

[Winston001]

Young suicide bombers.......

They do it BECAUSE they are young
BECAUSE they are idealistic
BECAUSE they want to change the world and make a difference

and because scheming, morally-destitute, self-serving governments, elders and leaders KNOW this about the young and ruthlessly and callously manipulate them to serve their own ends ..... telling them they are important in the fight against whomsoever the 'enemy' happens to be at the time ... but using them, discarding them and leaving them spent and crippled like so much rubbish when they have no further use for them ....

A very thoughtful post. Young people are essentially brainwashed by being fed a constant diet about the evil West. These are poor, barely literate people who live in a strict culture where free-thought is discouraged. The madrassas teach the Quran daily by rote and that is the extent of education in some Islamic societies. Girls don't even get that.

The young are bright and idealistic, romantic, and easily moulded to believe in God's work even when that means blowing up the enemy. They see themselves as martyrs, just as we revere the young men who died at Gallipoli, the Somme, Crete, El Alamein...... We are not so much different.

....do you think it's by accident that it's primarily people under 25 that are drafted and shipped off to serve as cannon fodder and worse for the 'war-du-jour' by whichever government they happen to fall under??

..... but it isn't, is it .... and the worst thing about it is that so-called grownups like you and i haven't risen up in horror, disgust and revulsion through the ages and butchered those who arrogantly co-opt our children, our future, into a hell of mangled remnants and then have the gall to talk about 'acceptable losses'

Eloquently and passionately expressed.

The average age of Allied soldiers in WWII was 26 years, not old but not young either. That aside, what would you have leaders do when faced with Adolf Hitler? Neville Chamberlain tried "Peace in our time..." yeah right.

Should Chamberlain, an old man by 1939, have set off for a duel of champions against the vigorous Adolph? Winner takes Poland?

Should Britain have just said "None of our business" while Guderian brilliantly waged Blitzkrieg through France and Belgium? Should the world, and the French in particular, have stood by while Tutsis slaughtered Hutus? Oh...that's right, we did. As we stood aside for Pol Pot. And Idi Amin.

So who is going to stop these despots, these atrocities, if our young are not prepared to? After all, the aggressors don't have any trouble getting young men to fight on their behalf. Ever it was thus.

I cannot see any answer to your heartfelt plea for peace and rejection of war. Not while there are those who will attack the vulnerable.

[Winston001]

I wonder how you would comment after a road rage incident. Which is the closest most NZ'r experience from anger. The person who started the thread feels anger at the senseless losing of someone from a gutless act of bravery. Easy taking on an unarmed target when you have all the weapons is a pretty low form of courage from my point of view.

I'd hope we all share Finn's sadness and distress at the loss of a friend. It's all very well for us to indulge in high-minded debate but at the heart of it, ordinary people are grievously hurt and killed. The despicable thing about modern terrorism is that civilian targets are now normal.

FWIW I'm sickened by the idea that nearly 200 people were killed, not to mention the hundreds wounded hurt and terrified. Its got to rank with 9/11.

However it's a mistake to see the Mumbai attack as cowardly. The 10 - thats all, just 10 young men, who carried this out knew they would die. It was a one-way trip. That takes courage, Yes they might have been deluded, idealistic, filled with visions of 72 houris in Paradise, but it still took courage. They knew the Indian army response would be fierce and probably expected torture before death.

[doc]

However it's a mistake to see the Mumbai attack as cowardly. The 10 - thats all, just 10 young men, who carried this out knew they would die.

Protest lodged, one of them thinks different. Of course I'm only going by what the press have told me.

Pleeeease tell the unarmed victims that they died well, against brave armed men.

[SARGE]

Didn't know a 203 could fire buckshot Sarge? Thought it was simply a grenade launcher.

different rounds.. illumination, riot control (sandbags..or buckshot..)...concussion..HE...WP (now illegal i understand..damn shame really) and incendiary..

[SARGE]

At first glance, its hard to disagree. The trouble is, what do you do if you are being oppressed? The French Resistance targeted Germans when they could, but also targeted Vichy French. And there are always collateral casualties, civilians in the wrong place at the wrong time.

theres the rub man.. the French Resistance didnt TARGET civillians..

armed gunmen storming a 5 star hotel full of tourists and businessmen..attacking unarmed non-combatants with grenades and automatic weapons..little chance of a papercut there...

walking a mentally handicapped woman into a packed market on friday morning at 10 am strapped with enough Semtex to level a missile cruiser...thats not warfighting.. thats cowardice

yea.. gimme the Cubans anytime .. toe to toe for a whole 5 days.....scrappy little cockroaches they were..

[Sniper]

However it's a mistake to see the Mumbai attack as cowardly. The 10 - thats all, just 10 young men, who carried this out knew they would die. It was a one-way trip. That takes courage, Yes they might have been deluded, idealistic, filled with visions of 72 houris in Paradise, but it still took courage. They knew the Indian army response would be fierce and probably expected torture before death.

Sorry bro, I disagree. It doesnt take bravery to kill yourself along with innocents. Its stupid and cowardly, bravery is face to face, as SARGE says. The better man will win in the end. Those 10 gave no one any chance in defending themselves

[SARGE]

i don't wonder about that - i know why ....... as, probably, do you

yea.. 72 virgins.. they dont mention they are all Thai She-Boys

They do it BECAUSE they are young

bullshit

BECAUSE they are idealistic

bullshit

BECAUSE they want to change the world and make a difference

bullshit

and because scheming, morally-destitute, self-serving governments, elders and leaders KNOW this about the young and ruthlessly and callously manipulate them to serve their own ends ..... telling them they are important in the fight against whomsoever the 'enemy' happens to be at the time ... but using them, discarding them and leaving them spent and crippled like so much rubbish when they have no further use for them ....

i volunteered..knew what i was getting into from the One.. the other blah blah million American forces did also.. enlistments are still at or above pre-war levels

- or do you think it's by accident that it's primarily people under 25 that are drafted and shipped off to serve as cannon fodder and worse for the 'war-du-jour' by whichever government they happen to fall under??

nope.. because they are young, strong and easier to train.. not as many bad or lazy habits of us over 25's

..... but it isn't, is it .... and the worst thing about it is that so-called grownups like you and i haven't risen up in horror, disgust and revulsion through the ages and butchered those who arrogantly co-opt our children, our future, into a hell of mangled remnants and then have the gall to talk about 'acceptable losses'

as long as the enemy has 'unacceptable losses"

[Oscar]

theres the rub man.. the French Resistance didnt TARGET civillians..

armed gunmen storming a 5 star hotel full of tourists and businessmen..attacking unarmed non-combatants with grenades and automatic weapons..little chance of a papercut there...

walking a mentally handicapped woman into a packed market on friday morning at 10 am strapped with enough Semtex to level a missile cruiser...thats not warfighting.. thats cowardice

yea.. gimme the Cubans anytime .. toe to toe for a whole 5 days.....scrappy little cockroaches they were..

Maybe the French Resistance didn't target civilians, but the RAF did, and the USAAF, and not by accident either.

What gives us the moral right to condemn terrorists when we did not hesitate to fire bomb German and Japanese cities? How many civilians died as a result of the bombing of Baghdad by Coalition Forces?

[SARGE]

havnt you seen that movie with him in, you can see him quite clearly in it, unless it was CGI.

i think i remember that one...

Brian: "I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly!"
Girl: "Only the true Messiah denies His divinity."
Brian: "What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right! I am the Messiah!"
Followers: "He is! He is the Messiah!"
Brian: "Now, fuck off!"
[silence]
Arthur: "How shall we fuck off, O Lord?"

that Jebus dude ROCKED!!!

nakked chicks.. space aliens..oh.. and the Judean Peoples Front

[Sniper]

Maybe the French Resistance didn't target civilians, but the RAF did, and the USAAF, and not by accident either.

What gives us the moral right to condemn terrorists when we did not hesitate to fire bomb German and Japanese cities? How many civilians died as a result of the bombing of Baghdad by Coalition Forces?

Yup, Baghdad, Germany and Japan were all bombed without provocatation. You forget Pearl Harbour, ect?

[wbks]

What gives us the moral right to condemn terrorists when we did not hesitate to fire bomb German and Japanese cities?

Interesting...

[Winston001]

Sorry bro, I disagree. It doesnt take bravery to kill yourself along with innocents. Its stupid and cowardly, bravery is face to face, as SARGE says. The better man will win in the end. Those 10 gave no one any chance in defending themselves

Yep, agreed. I withdraw and apologise. There is no defending what they did.