Drink driving, establishing boundaries

[MSTRS:Me]

Mate you can have a court order making whatever you like an offence but chances are a recidivist drink driver with a skin full of piss wont take one bit of notice,for my money theres 2 issues to be faced with the drink driving thing,1st up what to do with the recidivist? he/she will generally be older and set in his ways so to speak so no amount of talking/bridge programmes time spent with do-gooders is going to help,jail at least keeps them off the road and in some,maybe only a few cases he/she will wake up and realise what a mess they have made of there lives and actually do something about it.The other issue would be what to do to stop young people becoming recidivists,i am not saying i know the answers here but i can confidently say 6 months loss of licence and a few months PD doesnt deter many from driving drunk again.Straight to jail for a minimum of 6 months for a first offence? i dunno but if up to me thats what i would go with first,combined with some real education on the subject whilst there in there not some dottery old do-gooder that they will go and listen to for no other reason than to eat the biscuits that they provide.Who knows its a hard one for sure,made harder by our judges refusal to take it seriously no matter what the law says.

Can't bling you just now, but that brings the nail and hammer into direct contact.

[ManDownUnder]

Tattoo the fuckers. I hate them

Put a "DD" on their right cheek for every offense and do it in red for every life they took as a result of their offending.

[Swoop]

Fit a device to every car, that if it detects alcohol in the air near the driver, a foot-long metal spike is fired vertically from the centre of the drivers seat.

[Genestho]

Mate you can have a court order making whatever you like an offence but chances are a recidivist drink driver with a skin full of piss wont take one bit of notice,for my money theres 2 issues to be faced with the drink driving thing,1st up what to do with the recidivist? he/she will generally be older and set in his ways so to speak so no amount of talking/bridge programmes time spent with do-gooders is going to help,jail at least keeps them off the road and in some,maybe only a few cases he/she will wake up and realise what a mess they have made of there lives and actually do something about it.The other issue would be what to do to stop young people becoming recidivists,i am not saying i know the answers here but i can confidently say 6 months loss of licence and a few months PD doesnt deter many from driving drunk again.Straight to jail for a minimum of 6 months for a first offence? i dunno but if up to me thats what i would go with first,combined with some real education on the subject whilst there in there not some dottery old do-gooder that they will go and listen to for no other reason than to eat the biscuits that they provide.Who knows its a hard one for sure,made harder by our judges refusal to take it seriously no matter what the law says.

I agree with you on the jail term - getting them off the roads - for our safety.

The problem with jail, is that it wont cure alcohol dependancy or abuse problems, I assume it would feed them, I dont know myself..

Some recidivists offences (like the guy that killed our three) are quite spread out over time and slip out of the net, continuing the same behaviour until theyre caught or kill.
People around them dont stop them.

I also agree with the Judges not following up at their end. (We see it over and over everywhere)

Right now we dont have anything that appears to aim for long term recovery. We need "do gooders" to have a go.
I dont know the percentage of success but for one guy thats reoffended there'll be some that havent. (Thats an interesting thing to find out!)
Also as we know, we have to admit our own weaknesses in order to be cured.
I have a guy thats going for a phd - and a change in the way we educate and treat recidivists in the Health Sector.
With new and fresh approaches

"Victims" panels that tell their stories to the youth and in drink drive education stories.

I have given permission for My Husband and our friends story as part of a drink drive education course, thats been running all year I believe and there is another course starting in another part of NZ that looks to be going this way.

I agree with starting at the beginning - tackling youth. I already know for a fact that works, every child or teen around me, my family, has been affected by this crash.

Theres a good program at the mo (Run by NZPolice? I think?) where kids go into hospital and meet drivers who've been permanently injured in alcohol related crashes, piddling with catheters etc, alcohol ed.

I have also reccommended a change in the way we educate the potential "accidental drink drivers", and got my request, in the WBOP Road Safety area anyway. They have a new brochure out and its good.

I have also reccomended M.O.T to work with self confessed recidivists and "victims" of drink drive accidents to conduct a study as to how different tactics can work.

Education for potential drink drivers; penalties, standard drinks sizes is a good one (Not per hour - as it impossible to tell anyone how much to drink and be under the limit) but the amount per glass

Oh and Zero Tolerance, we cant stay under a limit if we dont know what each personal limit is.
Ive said a million times before, and as Mom said the grey area is too hard for anyone to stay legal.

Theres alot of ways to tackle this, there is no ONE magic bullet.

I stopped a drunk who was drinking a beer in the drivers seat of her car at 3pm over a month ago, she was so pissed she was swaying before she jumped into her car, pants down and talking to the rubbish bin.
I found out later her daughter killed herself by drink driving. How Ironic.
The sad thing was she'd visited the Dairy prior to getting into her car - nobody stopped her.

Things have got to change

[98tls]

Are judges assesed on performance?as in a review of sentences dealt out over a set period,theres no consistancy with there sentencing at all,at the start of this thread theres a guy who finally gets a token jail sentence after his 10th time,not to mention the number of disqualifacations along the way that hes ignored,ive read of guys getting banged up albeit even more of a token sentence for there 4th Dic,surely it would have accured to someone along the way that he doesnt give a shit about being disq so he should have been banged up way back for that alone.Same old story eh,ambulance at the bottom of the cliff,what really annoys me is that we can all see it so i can only assume those handing out the sentences can to which makes there lack of action even more pathetic.Rant over,for me anyway ive seen both sides of the fence and for the life of me cant work out why nothing is done both for the road using public and for those that ruin there own lives by doing it.Agree on the no magic bullet thing for sure but if they would just make an attempt would be nice.

[scumdog]

Joining the 5-0 sure as hell cured me of even THINKING of driving after I've had even two drinks.

Loss of job on top of the 'bad decision' aspect is one hell of a dererent.

[98tls]

Joining the 5-0 sure as hell cured me of even THINKING of driving after I've had even two drinks.

Loss of job on top of the 'bad decision' aspect is one hell of a dererent.

Coming within a hares breath of losing everything for having more than 2 deterred me,hence my belief in "off to the big house" will work at least for some,

[spudchucka]

This particular wanker got 2 years jail and 2 years disq. This for his 10TH DIC and 13/14th DWD. Sure, he can't drive while he's inside, but he won't do 2 years, and once out he'll be straight back into it. His history says he will. Being drunk doesn't stop him driving and neither does being disqualified. The only thing that will stop him is being physically unable. What form would you suggest that take?

Permanent imprisonment with the option of state assisted suicide as an alternative if they don't want to spend the rest of their miserable lives in jail.