Pursuit Policy

[marty]

mikey, you're beggin for red reps, aren't ya? just offer a cash reward and we can help out...

the point i was hinting at was the interesting interpretation the pursuing officers have of the policy, and the reporting of it back to comms. Hell, they wanna chase, good on 'em. I break the law, I expect to pay the price when caught. I bin it or kill someone in the process, I friggin deserve everything coming my way - I'm not trying to dodge that bullet.

I've shot past plenty of cops who've looked, waved their finger and shaken their head... and then continued on their way. But of the ones who pulled the u-turn, not a single one of them ever gave up until I either lost them or they caught me... 9/10 the former.

I'm not trying to take a crack at the whole morality issue around runners, nor taking a swipe at the poor bastard cops I give this moral dilemma to... i choose to break the rules and I admit that. What i'm saying is if there's a rule there and the police choose to break it, then they should take the consequences too. They get away with breaking the rules, good on em. But when they kill someone in the process of a pursuit, they've lied to comms, they've continued when told to abandon... well...

By the way, that dude in chch - darwin had the last laugh - I have no ill-feeling at all toward the police involved in that based on the information I've seen to date.

i was talking about this post madboy, but the comp was a tad slow last night...

[marty]

I recall hearing a pursuit on the scanner last year - only a stolen telstar vs I assume a commo, but they were calling in the speeds, conditions, locations etc as part of normal practice. And I'm sitting there thinking, oh that's nice, they're passing XXX street... doing 70-80k... then XXX street... still doing 80k max...

and as I'm listening I'm thinking that this particular road is a dead friggin straight road with no lights/cross roads, only side streets. as they're calling in the side streets i'm thinking that the distances covered vs the speed at which they're covering those distances don't quite add up... i think someone might have been telling porkies (no pun intended)

as for helicoptors - hell if they had them in wgtn I'd be rethinking my own pursuit policy! bit like a dog handler - I'd be thinking real hard about doing a runner on foot once they turned up... helicoptor same deal. you only fight the battles you can win.

i've been involved in 2 fatal pursuits, and the investigators did a time vs distance calculation to establish the true speed. 1 was actually 5km/h slower than was being called (rural pursuit), the other 5km/h faster (urban)

[spudchucka]

The pursuit guidelines sound spot on to me.

I tend to agree.

Quite frankly I'm amazed to hear that pursuits are routinely conducted by police officers that haven't been trained to specifically take part in high speed pursuits. Am I wrong? Spud?

At the moment pretty much all cops are trained to the same level. There is a new driver assessment program coming through but this looks as if its more aimed at identifying drivers that aren't up to scratch and attaching a label that prevents them from engaging in pursuits.

Gold = You can pursue and do pretty much anything required while in control of a car.

Silver = You can engage in urgent duty but you can't pursue. Urgent duty is lights & sirens heading to a P1 job.

Bronze = You get to kick the tyres in the morning and make the coffee.

How about a nice new helicopter or two

Yes please but Alan will kick up a stink because there's no way he'll get his fancy highway if all the money is going into choppers.

If they kill or injur someone while attempting to run, big time prison time I reckon, with hard years being a bitch for a realy nasty, violent, if not slightly gay psychopath nicknamed 'Sasquatch' that likes to be called 'Stud Muffin' while you chew pillows.

I like your style!

Any cop that continues to pursue any vehicle after being told to discontinue with the pursuit by a senior officer, should have their arses kicked big time. Throw the book at the buggers.

They will do. Part of the new policy is making it clear that folks who won't abide by it will suffer the consequences.

It's in times like this that I could imagine the selective deafness of the police officer kicking in, missing important radio messages or suddenly hitting a radio black spot. Where their radio just 'so happened' to miss a key message because their too caught up in 'getting the bastard'.

Like that has ever happened? Yeah right? (PT)

Because we all know that these cops types are mostly human.

Awwww, shucks.

[Krusti]

The way I see it a lot of problems with pursuits, attending incidents could be avoided by returning to local based control ops. Especially in rural towns. In the old days there were local cops giving directions, monitoring pursuits etc. They were able to advise quickest route, shortcuts, hazards on certain roads.

Now we have some one in Auck telling some one in Tokoroa where to go etc. Comes back to cost cutting. If you want a proffesional service make the money available to run it as such.

Allmost all the changes in the Police/TSS have come about due to cost cutting. What do you expect. Spend peanuts, get monkeys!

[spudchucka]

The way I see it a lot of problems with pursuits, attending incidents could be avoided by returning to local based control ops. Especially in rural towns. In the old days there were local cops giving directions, monitoring pursuits etc. They were able to advise quickest route, shortcuts, hazards on certain roads.

Now we have some one in Auck telling some one in Tokoroa where to go etc. Comes back to cost cutting. If you want a proffesional service make the money available to run it as such.

Allmost all the changes in the Police/TSS have come about due to cost cutting. What do you expect. Spend peanuts, get monkeys!

Cops have been complaining about the centralised comms centres since their introduction. The current 111 shambles is also linked to the mentality behind the comms centres. The problem is that the comms centres, (and to an extent the entire police service) are being resourced right down to the minmum limit of functionality. When anything happens that pushes the system over the edge the whole system malfunctions.

I've always thought that nothing would change the comms resourcing until a cop died as a direct result of the resourcing issues. Hopefully I'm wrong and the current review will bring about some positive changes.

[scumdog]

As per Scs' reply above. REAL frustrating when trying to do a vehicle check and comms is too busy with 111 calls etc and handling extra channels because they haven't enough staff on up there

Not the poor suckers on the jobs fault but SOMEBODY is counting the beans with a little too much diligence methinks.....

[Krusti]

Also makes things alot quicker when you have another local cop in coms who can give out local knowledge re shortcuts etc.

Cost cutting ... hmmm

Too many wankers in Wellington HQ, stupid decisions. Remember a few years back when someone in Wellington decided to leave speed restrictors in Falcon patrol cars ....180 tops

[mikey]

Remind me again where exactly I have replied to one of your posts in this thread, (prior to this one of course). You haven't quite mastered the art of trolling yet sunshine, you better practice some more.

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you do it all the time

how about this

fucking cops should get priorities straight an stop revenue collecting an MAKE A DIFFERENCE as there enrolment ads imply

[spudchucka]

Sorry Mikey but you still haven't got the hang of it.

[WINJA]

Its basically correct. Under the new policy implimented last year when pursuit is abandoned the pursuing vehicle must:
1: Reduce speed to within the current posted speed limit.
2: Once speed is within the prescribed speed limit, deactivate lights and sirens.
3: Come to a complete stop.
4: Once stopped report your position to police comms.

All vehicles involved must comply with these requirements when abandonment is ordered.

AND I HOPE YOU DIPSHIT COPS STICK TO THIS, BUT I DOUBT YOU WILL , YOU FUCKERS HAVE TO GET YOUR MAN NO MATTER WHO YOU ENDANGER. AGAIN I HAVE TO MENTION THE RETARD WHO CHASED THAT TRUMPY UP NORTH TILL HE CRASHED AND KILLED THAT GIRL. THAT PIG SHOULD HAVE GOT JAIL TIME FOR DISOBEYING AN ORDER WHICH RESULTED IN 2 DEATHS.

[marty]

man you SO wasted your one posting today winja. i reckon you're a pussy who would come quietly cause you're too fucking scared to mess up your pretty boy face by getting into a fight with some big mean police dude. and, if that's your scooter in your profile pic, then good luck getting away from a beat cop on a MTB, fucktard. if you really DID get stopped on SH1 north of huntly, it was probably by a concerned copper wondering why you were so far from anywhere on your mummy's scooter, and he was taking the piss by telling you to watch out for the cop up the road

[Skyryder]

AND I HOPE YOU DIPSHIT COPS STICK TO THIS, BUT I DOUBT YOU WILL , YOU FUCKERS HAVE TO GET YOUR MAN NO MATTER WHO YOU ENDANGER. AGAIN I HAVE TO MENTION THE RETARD WHO CHASED THAT TRUMPY UP NORTH TILL HE CRASHED AND KILLED THAT GIRL. THAT PIG SHOULD HAVE GOT JAIL TIME FOR DISOBEYING AN ORDER WHICH RESULTED IN 2 DEATHS.

Sshhhh...............you shout so loud that you believe all the shit that you hear.


Skyryder

[scumdog]

you do it all the time

how about this

fucking cops should get priorities straight an stop revenue collecting an MAKE A DIFFERENCE as there enrolment ads imply

But mikey, the revenue DOES make a DIFFERENCE, especially when collected from losers like you - it makes my day

[scumdog]

AND I HOPE YOU DIPSHIT COPS STICK TO THIS, BUT I DOUBT YOU WILL , YOU FUCKERS HAVE TO GET YOUR MAN NO MATTER WHO YOU ENDANGER. AGAIN I HAVE TO MENTION THE RETARD WHO CHASED THAT TRUMPY UP NORTH TILL HE CRASHED AND KILLED THAT GIRL. THAT PIG SHOULD HAVE GOT JAIL TIME FOR DISOBEYING AN ORDER WHICH RESULTED IN 2 DEATHS.

WOW MAN, LIKE I'M REALLY HANGING ONTO EVERY WORD YOU SAY MAN, HOPE YOU DON'T FEEL TOO "endangered" DUDE AND EASY ON THE "retard" THING, LIKE I THOUGHT YOU BEING ONE WOULD MAKE YOU A BIT MORE SENSITIVE MAN.

BOONSHANKA DUDE..

[spudchucka]

AND I HOPE YOU DIPSHIT COPS STICK TO THIS, BUT I DOUBT YOU WILL , YOU FUCKERS HAVE TO GET YOUR MAN NO MATTER WHO YOU ENDANGER. AGAIN I HAVE TO MENTION THE RETARD WHO CHASED THAT TRUMPY UP NORTH TILL HE CRASHED AND KILLED THAT GIRL. THAT PIG SHOULD HAVE GOT JAIL TIME FOR DISOBEYING AN ORDER WHICH RESULTED IN 2 DEATHS.

You could always be the exception to the rule.