90-day stand down

[RT527]

Yes it does. That has largely been my experience. My current employer is effectively demanding a 50 hour working week of its employees and there's nothing I can do about it.

The problem with assuming the association of intelligence, economic or otherwise, with any policy change in the employment laws in NZ is that there's precious little of that commodity available in NZ's job market. On both sides of the fence. This policy won't be employed to raise the productivity of Kiwis or reduce the exposure inherent in unsuitable employees, it will simply provide an out for an employer who needs a short term fix without long term financial exposure or having to pay contract rates for a decent contract worker. In my industry the vast majority of the good contractors capable of providing a satisfactory outcome for an employer have moved overseas. Simple economics. Pay is already crap in the IT sector in NZ and given the mentality of the majority of employers in that field it's only going to get worse.

Ummm but your still here ....working ...in the IT sector......ummmm lol given your mental state it was worse some time ago

BTW I tried ringing you couple of times....Happy Birthday Old fella.

[jrandom]

random ...if you stop the substance abuse that nasty bitter cloud in your head will drift away to reveal a beautiful sunrise

'Random'?



Semper Fidelis
Dawn star flares on disk of night
I fall, sun rises.

[Winston001]

No it's not. Some countries have a 'high' exchange rate because , f'instance they have a lot of mineral or oil depositis. Some countries (like the USA until recently) have a high exchange rate because other countries are willing to build up credit balances in that country. The exhange rate has very little at all to do with labour productivity .

Really? Consider.....Japan. No oil. No coal. A small island nation with less natural resources than NZ and 30 times the population to feed. Yet despite that they are an economic powerhouse. There has to be something we can learn from that.




Attack the yanks???

[Ixion]

Uh huh. and , notoriously, that economic powerhouse is based on principles the exact reverse of "sack 'em after 90 days". Based in fact on principles of high two way employer and worker loyalty, of very long employment periods (the 'job for life'); on a VERY high level of in house training.

I very much doubt that Japan would be the powerhouse you extoll had they adopted Mr Key's "hire 'em and sack 'em after 90 days" principle.

Japan is a totally bad example for your argument. It is everything that this bill is opposed to, and this bill is opposed to all the principles that made the Japanese economy so strong.

[jrandom]

Really? Consider.....Japan. No oil. No coal. A small island nation with less natural resources than NZ and 30 times the population to feed. Yet despite that they are an economic powerhouse. There has to be something we can learn from that.

Breed a hundred million crazy obsessive-compulsive weirdos and pack them into Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and everywhere in between, move New Zealand ten thousand kilometres closer to the rest of the world, and then spend three decades turning it into a giant factory that sucks in raw materials and sprays out consumer goods?

Brilliant idea!

You can go first.

[Boob Johnson]

I've done this, hired a shocker. Good CV, good previous placement, good references, interviewed well ... well paid, good environment, clearly defined tasks ... couldn't do his fucking job. Haven't hired anyone since, just not worth the risk and I'm happy to beaver along on my own. For now.

Hiring software engineers is extremely hard and very hit and miss. Having three months to test the little buggers out means I now feel inclined, once again, towards actually giving someone a shot. It also means it's easier to take a punt on a recent graduate. Y'know, giving someone hard working and keen a leg up. Remember that?

All the people bitching about this are terrified because they know they don't stack up. Worried about it? So negotiate. "I don't want to move my family until we're past the 90 day trial so I want you to pay for me to fly up, stay in a motel, whatever".

Dave

Dave, some people just need to be on the other end of the stick to understand that sometimes, or maybe, just maybe they will read the above & the penny will drop.


No law is perfect & no law will protect all wrong doings from either side, but right now, at this point in time, I strongly believe its in the best interests of ALL of us.


Unemployment figures are heading which way?


Should we encourage employers to employ or lay off?

[Pixie]

Women who fall pregnant in the first 90 days of a job are fucked.

If I fall off a bike and break an arm in the first 90 days of a new job, I'd be out the door.

Stop thinking like a Kiwi employer. We don't all come to work to steal your money

So you've worked for me for 10 weeks,now you're off work,pregnant.I'm expected to pay you while you wait to welp also employ a replacement.

Sounds like stealing to me.

Fuggin pinkos

[stanko]

My what? I'm really getting tired of that assumption.

I also think the people who are"voting" against me, have never worked for an IT corporate in NZ. I think the majority of Kiwis work in small firms, and I reckon this policy change isn't an issue for them. From my perspective, large NZ corporates will milk this for all it's worth.

This law change probably doesnt apply to ou anyway, it only applies to companies with 20 or less employees. Seems you chose a crap job, a bit like the pineapple lumps ad

[Murray]

I know! Let's apply the ninety day stand-down thingy to the new intake of MP's.........

I think this has been said about 5-6 times in this thread already

I will say it again!!! I am 100% sure the government has more than 20 employees, therefore the law does not apply!!!

[Headbanger]

Breed a hundred million crazy obsessive-compulsive weirdos and pack them into Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and everywhere in between, move New Zealand ten thousand kilometres closer to the rest of the world, and then spend three decades turning it into a giant factory that sucks in raw materials and sprays out consumer goods?

Brilliant idea!

You can go first.

You missed out the part where you drop a nuclear bomb on them to scar em for life and kick-start the economy.

Apart from that, Its all good.

[pritch]

Women who fall pregnant in the first 90 days of a job are fucked.

Well excluding immaculate conception that's generally a given...

[Lucy]

True. To unions (which have destroyed manufacturing in the US i.e. Motor Vehicle industry) is means people are working too hard and should slow down.

Toyota has built heaps of factories in the US, and is making snotpiles of profit.

[slofox]

I think this has been said about 5-6 times in this thread already

I will say it again!!! I am 100% sure the government has more than 20 employees, therefore the law does not apply!!!

So I deleted it already.......

[Finn]

Toyota has built heaps of factories in the US, and is making snotpiles of profit.

That's because Toyota understands automation.

[Lucy]

That's because Toyota understands automation.

So labour saving devices helped, rather than move the factories to low wage countries like the yanks did? Fair enough. Then the Yanks flew in jets to DC asking for a bail out.

In my experience, as others have said, good employers get good employees who stay, bad ones don't. Unfortunately, there are some wage slaves who will work well, but who won't stand up for themselves, and they can easily be taken advantage of.

I know a guy who has been a factory manager for years and years, he mentioned one day how he didn't know how anyone could live on $23,000 a year. Obviously had never done his own maths, as at the time his workers on the (then) minimum wage were earning about $18,000.