Iraqi hero reporter throws shoes at Bush

[scumdog]

What that Iraqui did is a grave insult in Arab nations. It wasn't so much that he was trying to injure Bush as what it implies.
See this linky.

BUT..but...for those it was aimed at it didn't matter, they just didn't give a shit.

[Street Gerbil]

Someone please say something worthy so I can spread around some bling to be able to give it to toycollector10 again.

[puppykicker]

I don't hate the USA, for all of their faults they are a beacon of light in a pretty grim world.

And don't forget your history, if you ever learned any at all. If those GI's, Marines, Navy boys and aviators hadn't come down here to the South Pacific in 1943 we would in all probability be speaking Japanese and would also be slaves to them.

if japan had not been dumb enough to directly attack the US they never would have gotten involved with WW2 and we would all be speaking japanese and britain would be run by nazis (i know it is anyway but they would actually call themselves nazis...) they werent protecting us, they were protecting themselves, we just got lucky

The Iraqi isn't in jail, he's a hero all over the Middle East.

The irony is lost on the whole lot of them, as they celebrate him and how much they hate the West and Christians, that if he had thrown his shoes at Saddam Hussain he would probably have been fed feet first, still alive, through a log-shredder. A favourite act of his son Uday.

So it's a great day for Iraq that he can throw his shoes with impunity at GWB..

actually he is in jail, but not before malikis security detail beat him to a bloody pulp, you can actually hear them kicking the shit out of him at the end of one of the vids on youtube

and on a more general note, fuck some of you people are disgusting. you know absolutely nothing about life in iraq before or after the invasion, but the fact that by even low estimates many hundreds of thousands and by from more reliable sources even millions of civillians are now dead as a direct result, and terrorists are stronger not only in iraq but worldwide should be a pretty good indicator that maybe it wasnt hugely well thought through. i recognise that your opinions are based off little fact and are mostly formulated by racism and general right-wing douchebaggery, but for gods sake at least get your facts right. would you rather live in a "free" society (it isnt really, saddam was more progressive and secular than the current govt) with your recently deceased wife and children, unable to get to work because the bus keeps getting blown up, or would you like to live under a brutal dictator that could at least keep your family safe as long as you didnt piss him off?

according to estimates published in the lancet medical journal the number of civilian iraqi deaths caused by the invasion is approx 1.2 million. this is around about equal to the estimated number of total people killed by saddam hussein since the 70s... think about that for a seccond, this great idea you are hailing to remove this brutal dictator and stop him from killing people, has resulted in roughly the same number of deaths in the past 6 years than the brutal dictator himself in the last 30... i should also add that around 500-700k of saddams kills were iranian military, not defenseless civilians... and that number includes about 500k people that starved or died from disease arguably more as a result of international sanctions than direct action from saddam, though he could have easily prevented it. so lets say bush has killed around 3 times as many iraqi civilians in 6 years as saddam ever did in 30 odd. but at least he removed saddam from power right? not like most of the baath party is still in government in iraq... oh wait, they are.

[Sully60]

not like most of the baath party is still in government in iraq... oh wait, they are.

And who assisted in putting them there in the first place?

Can someone else say something smart so I can bling puppykicker again?

There's no excuse in this day in age for just accepting the events selected for portrayal in the western media.
Go research some history, I'm sure some of you might be surprised at how the middle east has been 'shaped' by the great western powers.

[toycollector10]

Sorry, did someone mention the invasion of Kuwait? No.

I'm not liking the concept the puppykicker has of appeasment.

It didn't work in 1939 and it won't work in Iraq in 2008. In fact it never works.

Think about dictators, fascists and other despots and all the trouble and human misery they cause. And the kicker is dreaming if he thinks Sadam's secular state was pretty well run. It was running smoothly if he was gassing kurds or he was killing off those Islamic sects he didn't agree with.

Sadam, Hitler, Mussolini, Mugabe soon, it's all about action(s) then reaction(s)
and the reactions are usually bloody and extreme because that's the way of the real world.

[Forest]

I have a feeling that this guy will be jailed...for missing.

The reporter's brother has told the Associated Press that "Muntadhar has a broken leg, cracked ribs, some injures under his eye, and his leg is also hurting him."

Good to see that the West has installed justice alongside democracy.

[SPman]

There's no excuse in this day in age for just accepting the events selected for portrayal in the western media.
Go research some history, I'm sure some of you might be surprised at how the middle east has been 'shaped' by the great western powers.

Nah - it's easier to just vent based on what you see & hear on TV than to actually research from multiple independent diverse sources and form an opinion based on that.
But
What do I know
Or care.......

[puppykicker]

Sorry, did someone mention the invasion of Kuwait? No.

I'm not liking the concept the puppykicker has of appeasment.

It didn't work in 1939 and it won't work in Iraq in 2008. In fact it never works.

Think about dictators, fascists and other despots and all the trouble and human misery they cause. And the kicker is dreaming if he thinks Sadam's secular state was pretty well run. It was running smoothly if he was gassing kurds or he was killing off those Islamic sects he didn't agree with.

Sadam, Hitler, Mussolini, Mugabe soon, it's all about action(s) then reaction(s)
and the reactions are usually bloody and extreme because that's the way of the real world.

perhaps the west and the US in particular should have thought about that before giving him the chemical weapons he used on the kurds... you know about that right? i take it you also know that the US helped him into power so that he would go to war with iran?

removing a tyrant can be a very good thing, if its done right. but should the iraqi people not have some say in the matter?

and once again, bush/cheney and their ilk have now killed more poeple in 6 years than saddam did in 25. worth it? maybe, history will judge that, we cant really know. but i can tell you that they could have done it properly, they could have prevented a million civilian casualties, but they chose not to. the lied to get the invasion happening, theyve lied since. they tourture people and hold them indefinately with no trials and usually no evidence. these things are all war crimes, and if they strung up saddam for causing the deaths of all those kurds, and you agreed with it, then how can you possibly support the men that have caused more deaths? it doesnt make it ok because it was negligence and stupidity instead of intention.

[puppykicker]

and just to drive home my point a little

An Oxfam report from February 2008 put into startling focus what the U.S. invasion has really meant for Iraqis:

– More than four million Iraqis forced to flee either to another part of Iraq or abroad.
– Four million Iraqis regularly cannot buy enough food.
– 70 percent are without adequate water supplies, compared to 50 percent in 2003.
– 28 percent of children are malnourished, compared to 19 percent before the 2003 invasion.
– 92 percent of Iraqi children suffer learning problems, mostly due to the climate of fear.

The Brookings Institute’s Iraq index also notes that the national unemployment rate is somewhere between 25 and 40 percent. Fifty-six percent of Iraqis say things in Iraq are going “quite bad” or “very bad.” Sixty percent rate economic conditions as “poor” and 75 percent rate security conditions “poor.”

by most objective measures, things in iraq are much worse now that they were under saddam. but theyre free right?

[pete376403]

and just to drive home my point a little
70 percent are without adequate water supplies, compared to 50 percent in 2003.
– 28 percent of children are malnourished, compared to 19 percent before the 2003 invasion.
– 92 percent of Iraqi children suffer learning problems, mostly due to the climate of fear.
by most objective measures, things in iraq are much worse now that they were under saddam. but theyre free right?

And those pre-2003 figures are bad because of the sanctions and embargoes put in place after the kuwait invasion (which incidentally was more or less sanctioned by the US ambassador to Iraq at the time)
Another thing Iraqi children are suffering from is a huge increase in cancers - probably from the large amounts of depleted uranium munitions used by the us and british.

[Usarka]

Fuck me this was supposed to be a humorous thread bastards.

Who here has spoken to an Iraqi in the middle east. Like sat down and had a coffee with them and found out what they think and feel and how the sanctions from the first "conflict" ruined their livelyhoods.

bugger all i'd guess.

so all you judgemental fuckers stfu. you can't blame a whole race by the actions of the extreme, just like you can't judge the whole of america by the actions of their knob cheese president.

sure there are serious justifications for taking out dictators, imagine what had happened if hitler had been taken out. but weapons of mass destruction and people incarcerated for 7 years without trial?

etc
etc
etc.

[jrandom]

My goodness, this is indeed a fine drop. I might just finish the bottle and then log on to KB.

Awesome call there bro.

[Mr. Peanut]

It's scary when you think the gold standard for justice is trial by jury

[gatch]

jeez this thread got deeper than the marianas trench..

that dude who biffed the shoes has balls, pity he is now in several pieces..

i think the only thing that could have made a funnier news piece is if bush picked one up, called the dude out on his lack of foot hygiene, than proceeded to give the assailant an ass-whooping, with his own kicks..