IRD. Don't ya fucken love 'em!

[**R1**]

Bad luck buddy, but the more you have to pay the less I(tax payer) have to.
i know it sucks tho i had to do it for a year. but thems the brakes....will ya keep the bike till after March??? i dont want you piking out and saying ya cant race me coz ya needed new undies so ya sold ya bike.

[Slipstream]

what a bunch of cunts!!!

Yes they are. I feel bad for the Tsunami victims I really do. But fix home before you fix abroad....The government can be really silly sometimes!

If the mothers got the money, fair enuff, but that is just bullshit!!! in Oz you can actually make your own agreement with the mum and tax pricks stay out of it... provided you stick with the agreement....

You can do it here in NZ too.

The only problem with it tho, is if the parent who pays child support is an arse and doesn't pay, there's nothing the custodian parent can do about it. Or at least for a month anyway.

The other problem is, if the custodian parent has agreed to a private family support agreement, other benefit entitlements can be reduced too.
So even tho paying parent gets to pay less....custodian parent may also get needed benefit cuts
So it is a case of what is better for the children first....parents second
The only time a private agreement helps everyone out, is when custodian parent is working.


It reminds me of banks. You go in for a loan when you need money. But because you don't have money they won't lend it to you. But as soon as you have money, they offer you a loan?

What the F**K is up with that!!!
It sux to be broke, or even just past broke

[Jantar]

I was paying well over $1000 per month. My ex was not receiving anywhere near this amount for the kids, but the only way we could make a private arrangement was if she was working and earning sufficient herself to not require any benefit of any sort. If she required any govt assistance, then I had to pay through the IRD.

The IRD explanation was that because the total of what she received for the kids and for herself was more than I paid, then it had to be through them.

[Clockwork]

I think it's really unjust! There was a poll recently (possibly on Sky) and the consensus was that 90% of people believed that whatever governing body controls this (sorry, I don't pay much attention) has a almost total bias against men... I wonder if this would ever change, it would have to at some stage??

Hey, go scale the side of the BeeHive, and refuse to budge!

My sister-in-law, with mental health problems and a child support bill for two kids (just not emotionally strong enought to look after the kid herself) Comming out of a second failed relationship with masses of debts surrounding a new home that took her second partner 18 months to finish (while he was living in it) was crucified by these people, she was earning around $20k pa and paying rent while the father had a freehold house and had an income of around $50k. IRD didn't give a shit. They have a formula, pay up and shut up.

Sorry StoneChucker, it may be a shit deal because the formula expects the major income earner to be male but it will shaft women caught on the wrong side of the balance sheet also!

[Sensei]

Dude, thats farking COLD!

Could be worse Stonechucker he might have to look at a R1
SENSEI

[Skunk]

Years ago I filed a hardship form (can't remember what it's name was exactly - it was sixteen years ago) cos I had had a drop in income since the assessment. Got the payments reduced.
Don't know it that helps in your case.
My ex went on a sickness benefit in the end and they decided I didn't have to pay anything anymore. Ferked if I can work THAT out.

[Biff]

That sucks mate, I feel for you.

If it makes you feel any better I went to Ruapuna today and watched the points races with Dangerous. We saw Gixxer 1000 on one wheel pull along side an R1 on the home straight.

No - oh well. I'll buy you some beers when you get down here next month then.

[riffer]

Years ago I filed a hardship form (can't remember what it's name was exactly - it was sixteen years ago) cos I had had a drop in income since the assessment. Got the payments reduced.
Don't know it that helps in your case.
My ex went on a sickness benefit in the end and they decided I didn't have to pay anything anymore. Ferked if I can work THAT out.

I have tried a number of things with IRD regarding hardship.

In my latest administrative review we got less than five minutes in to the review when the lawyer who was representing IRD (ironically, it is ILLEGAL for you to bring a lawyer to an administrative review) informed me that inability to afford to pay child support is not grounds for hardship.

You may be able to claim that:

a) one of your children is handicapped and requires serious $$$ to support
b) It costs you an exceptional amount to have the kids for the time you have them and this is expenses out of the ordinary
c) You have large travel expenses to support your access arrangements ie fly the kids from one end of the country to the other

There are some other grounds but its unlikely they will apply to you.

I've tried them all mate.

My advice - from someone who's been there - re-estimate your income so you pay the fair amount - it won't make any difference to how much money the kids receive.

And one more thing - please - you and Slipstream - stay away from Family Court - I could tell you so much about this institution - but for legal reasons I obviously won't in a public forum - but DO NOT EVER go there.

It will irreperably destroy any hope of communication and supportive mutual parenting once the lawyers get involved and you will both lose - but worse than that - the children will lose so much more.

I wish I had never been to Family Court - those who know me well know what I'm talking about here.

Just remember - always put the kids first - don't try and mess with IRD because they will screw you so much worse.

If all else fails with IRD, keep asking to go higher and higher. I ended up with the Manager, Central Region as my personal case manager - it took me two years and $3500 fines (which she wiped after hearing my case).

Always be polite, but firm and reasonable with all your dealings. Remember your IRD number and write notes of every conversation. Don't be upset when you get a Statement of Account after every conversation - it's the computer system - every time your account is accessed the computer sends a Statement of Account letter to you.

Try and keep in mind you are dealing with people being paid bugger all to listen to people bitch about a system they themselves have trouble understanding.

Good luck. Do your re-estimation of income tomorrow. Pick up a form from the IRD on Customhouse Quay.

[Slipstream]

Good luck. Do your re-estimation of income tomorrow. Pick up a form from the IRD on Customhouse Quay.

They've actually been quite good at sending forms out. But sometimes it's best to ring a second time (the next day) and ask for them to send out a copy (Don't tell them it's another) That way you're guaranteed a copy. Especially when you find it difficult to leave your workplace.

[**R1**]

Could be worse Stonechucker he might have to look at a R1
SENSEI

Dude thats fuckn cold

[gav]

Just buy a scooter, you'll be right! Ya reckon you can smoke every one anyway? What the hell you need a GSXR1K for anyway?

[What?]

The gummint says human life is sacrosanct; voluntary euthanasia is illegal, no matter how much pain your terminal illness may be causing you.

Yet the same gummint has a whole department (Immoral Rippoffs Department) with a reputation for driving citizens to suicide (which, funnily enough, is also illegal).

[Quasievil]

Mate I havent got time to read all of this so dunno all that was said.

You have some options
1/ ask for a administrative review, they will consider the payments based on your current position.
2/ arrange with your ex a agreed sum for you to pay, its called a voluntary agreement, they have a form you need to fill out for it, ie you and ex sit down and figure it out that for example $150 a week is a fair amount, fill out the form post it in , job done.

Also it is illegal for the ird to take over a certain percentage of your income (i cant remember the amount)
my advise is to tak to ex and ask for some consideration, I know you help out additionally froim what I saw, I think you guys can work it out mate.


Good luck

[750Y]

...will ya keep the bike till after March??? i dont want you piking out and saying ya cant race me coz ya needed new undies so ya sold ya bike.

don't worry Jimmy You can borrow mine 8-).

[**R1**]

don't worry Jimmy You can borrow mine 8-).

Cool.... so if i win it would be like beating you both