Gun Poll

[portokiwi]

Assault victims
Showing latest available data. Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)
#1 Saint Kitts and Nevis: 3%
#2 United Kingdom: 2.8%
#3 Australia: 2.4%
#4 New Zealand: 2.4%
#5 Canada: 2.3%
#6 Finland: 2.1%
#7 Denmark: 1.4%
#8 France: 1.4%
#9 Belgium: 1.2%
#10 United States: 1.2%
#11 Sweden: 1.2%
#12 Slovenia: 1.1%
#13 Malta: 1.1%
#14 Poland: 1.1%
#15 Netherlands: 1%
#16 Switzerland: 1%
#17 Austria: 0.8%
#18 Portugal: 0.4%
#19 Italy: 0.2%
#20 Japan: 0.1%
Weighted average: 1.4%



DEFINITION: People victimized by assault (as a % of the total population).

Portugal is a country that every police man carries a side arm. They allways have. even the prison guards carry a sidearm.
The public dont and I dont think ever will. The crime rate there is getting higher due to the hevey influx of ukinians and black south africans comming in now they have the open boarders in the EU.

[davereid]

Heres the only page where the USA looks worse than us..

Murders with firearms (per capita) (most recent) by countryRank Countries Amount (top to bottom)
#1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people
#2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people
#3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people
#4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people
#5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people
#6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people
#7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people
#8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
#9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people
#10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people
#11 Slovakia: 0.021543 per 1,000 people
#12 Czech Republic: 0.0207988 per 1,000 people
#13 Estonia: 0.0157539 per 1,000 people
#14 Latvia: 0.0131004 per 1,000 people
#15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0127139 per 1,000 people
#16 Bulgaria: 0.00845638 per 1,000 people
#17 Portugal: 0.00795003 per 1,000 people
#18 Slovenia: 0.00596718 per 1,000 people
#19 Switzerland: 0.00534117 per 1,000 people
#20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people
#21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people
#22 Moldova: 0.00448934 per 1,000 people
#23 Hungary: 0.00439692 per 1,000 people
#24 Poland: 0.0043052 per 1,000 people
#25 Ukraine: 0.00368109 per 1,000 people
#26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people
#27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people
#28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people
#29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people
#30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people
#31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people
#32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 people
Weighted average: 0.1 per 1,000 people

However, if you look at the USA state-by-state, you will find that the 21 US states with liberal gun control laws have a firearm murder rate LOWER than NZs.* The states with more restrictive laws have higher rates, and the really high rates that twist the US stats are all.. err highly controlled, and full of gangs.

ie... bad people are very implicated in crime... guns are not.

(*I'm digging up the stats to back this up.. a day or two may be required.. I have it somewhere, but I need bookmarks in my bookmarks..)

[SARGE]

Heres the only page where the USA looks worse than us..

Murders with firearms (per capita) (most recent) by countryRank

(*I'm digging up the stats to back this up.. a day or two may be required.. I have it somewhere, but I need bookmarks in my bookmarks..)

how about overall murder rates between the USA and NZ?..

[carver]

So that makes you the person that everyone should go to for safety lessons

no, go to a gun club, i learnt from ex Olympic shooters

[Toaster]

I prefer the weapon in my pants.

[portokiwi]

what callaber do they use????
what wpns have you been trained on. Sorry but I am very interested to know.

[davereid]

how about overall murder rates between the USA and NZ?..

Yep.. Murder rate higher in US too... my intention is to demonstrate that two things are happening here :

1. - NZ is not the safe Utopia that we like to think it is ..
2. - That crime is caused by criminals - there are plenty of places where firearms are common and crime is not.

I'm not disputing that there are plenty of guns, and plenty of murders in Columbia !

[Big Dave]

[Swoop]

That crime is caused by criminals - there are plenty of places where firearms are common and crime is not.

The states that have concealed carry laws have seen a downward trend. Strange that.
A crim having to think about "risk".

Good to see that the poms don't have that issue.

[portokiwi]

You have to admit it a very close poll

[Big Dave]

ie... bad people are very implicated in crime... guns are not.

Yeah - I heard they have started using sarcasm. Enzo Piranha style.

.027 V .001

so doing the sums in my head that would make approximately

USA - 7,000.
NZ - 4.

Happy to stand correxted - 250 mil v 4 mil assumed.

I see why they use percentages.

[SARGE]

Yep.. Murder rate higher in US too... my intention is to demonstrate that two things are happening here :

1. - NZ is not the safe Utopia that we like to think it is ..
2. - That crime is caused by criminals - there are plenty of places where firearms are common and crime is not.

I'm not disputing that there are plenty of guns, and plenty of murders in Columbia !

i assume we are comparing first world nations though..

[BMWST?]

its all nice in theory....if it was legal for licensed gun users to carry or conceal or have pistols,then it will instantly mean there will be a lot more pistols available to the non licened,criminal elemnt...instant escalation of "deadly force",wether you were the intended target or not.

[davereid]

its all nice in theory....if it was legal for licensed gun users to carry or conceal or have pistols,then it will instantly mean there will be a lot more pistols available to the non licened,criminal elemnt...instant escalation of "deadly force",wether you were the intended target or not.

I'm not sure that is true.. a quick look at the papers shows criminals seem to have reasonably free access to firearms, including handguns, but mostly the cut-down shotgun or rifle.

In spite of the fact they have no (legal) access to guns at all, criminals appear to show up in our bottle stores, dairys, and on the street with firearms all the time.

Are you able to show that our gun control laws have reduced the number of guns available to our criminals ?

[scumdog]

Are you able to show that our gun control laws have reduced the number of guns available to our criminals ?

No, hell they even buy them from gun collectors.....

But it's the same story, the criminals ALWAYS have access to guns, legal or not. (Just look at the UK gun laws and penalties and look at the criminal fire-arm usage in the UK).