Racing safety issues

[enigma51]

were you part of race control Brian? bringing up the rear to make sure it's all clear? As for the faster guys maybe having trouble with him.. i'd expect they have a lot more experience and would have dealt with this situation as needed. good on you for havin a crack tho


on a more serious note, lessons should be learnt from tut norf of England and paddy land.. the races there are just as frenzied but with a lot more time behind them and experience in the bag...

im a firm believer,, if your not within 10% of teh fastest guy you shouldn't be out racing ( in that class )

Or you should dnf

dnf looks much better than last on the score card

[Shaun]

were you part of race control Brian? bringing up the rear to make sure it's all clear? As for the faster guys maybe having trouble with him.. i'd expect they have a lot more experience and would have dealt with this situation as needed. good on you for havin a crack tho


on a more serious note, lessons should be learnt from tut norf of England and paddy land.. the races there are just as frenzied but with a lot more time behind them and experience in the bag...

im a firm believer,, if your not within 10% of teh fastest guy you shouldn't be out racing ( in that class )

100% agree with you

[boomer]

Or you should dnf

dnf looks much better than last on the score card

I forgot about dnf's...

[enigma51]

I forgot about dnf's...

They area safety line for so many

[svs]

wangas always brings out a few riders who want to do nothing else. i guess it's because it's what they enjoy doing but the lack of experience can make it difficult for others.

but what's the alternative? a staged licensing system like in the UK? I was surprised when i came into NZ and just paid some money for my race license and off i went.

In the UK you start out as a novice and need to finish a number of club races before you can upgrade to a clubmans license. You can't even get a national license until you can show that you can finish in the top 50% in club rounds at a bunch of different circuits. If those rules were applied (and wanganui is counted as a 'national' level event) then I doubt the majority of the field there would even have been eligible to race!

http://www.acu.org.uk/uploaded/docum...U%20Notes1.pdf

I don't know if we want NZ to go this far, but if you think racing in NZ has got to the stage where some for of competency is required before being let loose on the street race circuits then the issue needs to be raised through the clubs. MNZ will only act if something either goes horribly wrong, or if a proposal is put forward from an affiliated club.

[jrandom]

Whilst Shaun's original point is very valid, I think that the most immediate problem facing roadracing in NZ isn't n00bs running in fast classes and riding dangerously (cue boomer et al scrambling for their keyboards to accuse me of doing precisely that ); it's ever-increasing costs creating a high entry barrier.

We need more people in the sport, not less.

The multi-level UK racing regulations undoubtedly work well in a country that has 50 million people packed into a similar land area to ours. They might not work so well here.

Better to encourage people into motorcycle racing than make it more exclusive than it already is.

[svs]

yep. agree totally - but the people you encourage into the sport need to have the opportunity to learn how to race safely and not just jump in at the deep end and only doing 3 meetings just to get the stamp so they can ride wanganui

grids at vicclub rounds are already full - it would be almost impossible to get more people into those rounds, but what if they ran a specific novice race?

why don't more people enter the cliffhanger hillclimb? is it because there are no crowds and joe public hasn't heard of it. riding at wanganui gives you bragging rights - eve if you can't ride for shit

[jrandom]

why don't more people enter the cliffhanger hillclimb?

Fucked if I know. I'll be there in March.

is it because there are no crowds and joe public hasn't heard of it

I don't get that either aye... personally, I'd rather being attempting to ride fast with a minimal number of people present to see me cock up.

[Quasievil]

i dont really agree with the "must be within 10% of the fastest riders time But I can see the reasoning behind it.
my fastest lap in the tards was 58 sec, Darryl Atkins was 51 sec's (at wangas) about half the field wouldnt have made it to 10% of his lap time it would have resulted in about 16 riders odd actually competing, and those 16 riders are without doubt ones with the biggest Modification jobs on their machines (in Motards) 450? my arse, 525? BS 580 cc, so it seems to me that the ones up front are mostly those with big bore machines and expensive add ons some legal some not.

There are no controls on engine mods etc in Motards

Now if the classes had a essences of control and regulation then I wouldnt have a problem with ensuring the feild is within 10% of the fastest riders time, but if the fastest rider has every engine and bike modification possible then its hardly fair is it? until they do stipulate some controls in the classes I wouldnt support it.

And their are a couple of machines leading the Motard field which are completely not legal, so why should I have to be within 10% of them?

I know also that this argument would apply to the rest of the classes as well in varying degrees.

It seems to me that those up front (not discounting their personal talent) do without doubt have extremely highly tuned machines which without doubt give them a huge advantage over the rest of us................................... sorry what did you say???? I can also spend $100k on my bike..........lol yeah right !! so racing is then for the elite and rich? that argument dont wash sorry (whichever one of you was going to bring it up)

Control the classes and Im all for 10% of the fastes riders times, that wouldnt worry me because with controls in place I would be there.

[jrandom]

Anyone notice Paul Pavletich's letter in this month's BRM expressing his strong support for the idea of a production 600s class?

Bring something like that in, and there's your space on the grid for all the guys who can't afford $50-$100K per year on racing but can ride well enough to qualify if they're not hampered by their equipment.

[boomer]

i dont really agree with the "must be within 10% of the fastest riders time But I can see the reasoning behind it.
my fastest lap in the tards was 58 sec, Darryl Atkins was 51 sec's (at wangas) about half the field wouldnt have made it to 10% of his lap time it would have resulted in about 16 riders odd actually competing, and those 16 riders are without doubt ones with the biggest Modification jobs on their machines (in Motards) 450? my arse, 525? BS 580 cc, so it seems to me that the ones up front are mostly those with big bore machines and expensive add ons some legal some not.

There are no controls on engine mods etc in Motards

Now if the classes had a essences of control and regulation then I wouldnt have a problem with ensuring the feild is within 10% of the fastest riders time, but if the fastest rider has every engine and bike modification possible then its hardly fair is it? until they do stipulate some controls in the classes I wouldnt support it.

And their are a couple of machines leading the Motard field which are completely not legal, so why should I have to be within 10% of them?

I know also that this argument would apply to the rest of the classes as well in varying degrees.

It seems to me that those up front (not discounting their personal talent) do without doubt have extremely highly tuned machines which without doubt give them a huge advantage over the rest of us................................... sorry what did you say???? I can also spend $100k on my bike..........lol yeah right !! so racing is then for the elite and rich? that argument dont wash sorry (whichever one of you was going to bring it up)

Control the classes and Im all for 10% of the fastes riders times, that wouldnt worry me because with controls in place I would be there.

thats why i said class.. you should be in super stock with the other moaners.. i dont have enough power.. someone stole my ponies.. i need a bigger cheque book...??!

and i figure JRandoms way of thinking ( fooked if i can understand teh prick ) is there's safety in numbers...??!! bwaahahahahah What ever nub ! This isn't cycle fookin Taupo

[boomer]

yep. agree totally - but the people you encourage into the sport need to have the opportunity to learn how to race safely and not just jump in at the deep end and only doing 3 meetings just to get the stamp so they can ride wanganui

grids at vicclub rounds are already full - it would be almost impossible to get more people into those rounds, but what if they ran a specific novice race?

why don't more people enter the cliffhanger hillclimb? is it because there are no crowds and joe public hasn't heard of it. riding at wanganui gives you bragging rights - eve if you can't ride for shit

agreed.. as long as people are competitive in there class.. imagine Strouds face when he see JRandom Et al wobbling around the track.. he'd weee in his jesus dockers ! get more people involved that are capable but have some cutoff.. otherwise it would ( and it sounds like it is ) mayhem.... !


im still laughing at Random thinking hes capable... lollies

[Quasievil]

thats why i said class.. you should be in super stock with the other moaners.. i dont have enough power.. someone stole my ponies.. i need a bigger cheque book...??!

and i figure JRandoms way of thinking ( fooked if i can understand teh prick ) is there's safety in numbers...??!! bwaahahahahah What ever nub ! This isn't cycle fookin Taupo

Who is Moaning ??

I run a legal bike and Im going to buy a Akropovic which will give me the max HP I can get out of a stock (though already highly race breed) engine.
One thing I wont be doing is putting a 580 big bore kit in it and entering it as a 525.

[boomer]

Who is Moaning ??

I run a legal bike and Im going to buy a Akropovic which will give me the max HP I can get out of a stock (though already highly race breed) engine.
One thing I wont be doing is putting a 580 big bore kit in it and entering it as a 525.

I'm the pommie.. so it must be me there needs to be rules mate to provide some course of safety. life's not fair sometimes.

[SixPackBack]

i dont really agree with the "must be within 10% of the fastest riders time But I can see the reasoning behind it.
my fastest lap in the tards was 58 sec, Darryl Atkins was 51 sec's (at wangas) about half the field wouldnt have made it to 10% of his lap time it would have resulted in about 16 riders odd actually competing, and those 16 riders are without doubt ones with the biggest Modification jobs on their machines (in Motards) 450? my arse, 525? BS 580 cc, so it seems to me that the ones up front are mostly those with big bore machines and expensive add ons some legal some not.

There are no controls on engine mods etc in Motards

Now if the classes had a essences of control and regulation then I wouldnt have a problem with ensuring the feild is within 10% of the fastest riders time, but if the fastest rider has every engine and bike modification possible then its hardly fair is it? until they do stipulate some controls in the classes I wouldnt support it.

And their are a couple of machines leading the Motard field which are completely not legal, so why should I have to be within 10% of them?

I know also that this argument would apply to the rest of the classes as well in varying degrees.

It seems to me that those up front (not discounting their personal talent) do without doubt have extremely highly tuned machines which without doubt give them a huge advantage over the rest of us................................... sorry what did you say???? I can also spend $100k on my bike..........lol yeah right !! so racing is then for the elite and rich? that argument dont wash sorry (whichever one of you was going to bring it up)

Control the classes and Im all for 10% of the fastes riders times, that wouldnt worry me because with controls in place I would be there.

To many of us excuses about lack of power are just that-excuses!.........cool watching you racing at Wanganui Brett, but with all due respect a lot more than a few extra horsepower separates the mid fielders from the front runners.
The superbikes, 600's and motards had a few real stars well in front of the pack, the rest of the field making up the numbers [and being lapped!?]. You only have to look at Glen Williams to see talent can make up for a significant lack of power against the opposition, and/or Rossi moving from Honda to Yamaha and kicking arse on his first excursion.
Safety?.....as a spectator I care not. Individuals prepare their bikes, pay their money and turn up on the day to do the best they can. Road racing is a dangerous sport that carries a strong possibility of personal or property damage-be prepared to get hurt/have your equipment wrecked, or stay at home.