Bike won't start "Suzuki GSX 250"

[X-CoN]

Hello all you bike lovers!!

Well i have recently bought a new bike, it is a Suzuki GSX 250, it is a 2004 model and is my first bike.

Now for the problem, I went away for new years holiday and before i left it was running fine, really good. Now i am back and it will not electric start, it turns over a few times then cuts and just clicks away ok, battery dead, but when i got it it was flat and i could kick start it and it would run and recharge the battery, now the kick start wont work, sounds like its about to grab but it doesnt.

I have checked that all basic procedures are right, i tryed to take the seat off but i had no luck, also was told to check for a spark but no luck getting to the spark plugs. and i cant get hold of bike shops cause they all closed.

if anyone has this bike and knows what i should do please help save me the time and money trying to get it fixed.

cheers

[birdhandler]

Here is a link to the manual
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...=gsx250+manual

Get the seat off , the batteryout, unscrew the black wire first , check the water level, and charge it

As the battery is fully discharged you need a charger like this

http://www.jaycar.co.nz/productView....CATID=&keyword

Soundas like the battery was on its way out when you bought the bike had enough grunt to fire the plugs but now its totally flat so cannot fire the plugs even if you push start it

Have fun

[X-CoN]

hello, thanks for the redirection to the manual page.
ok well i have recently bought a new battery as i was told that would be the problem, and have let it charge for a bout an hour and a half, and thought id put it in, no luck just wouldnt catch it was trying and close but no go.

i checked the file line at the fule switch box and it was set to on and that was spitting out fule, so i really dont know what to do now, i was told it wouldnt be the spark plugs cause its a ferly new bike and they are stirdy.

cheers

[JMemonic]

Ok you have a battery charger, I am guessing from your last post, it will take about 12 hours to charge the battery up from new to a decent charge not an hour and a half, also the charger is important, 1 amp output is what you want not a 10 amp car charger, often referred to as trickle charger, if you get one of those fast charger things you can possibly cook a motorcycle battery.

Oddly the warehouse sells a small arlec unit for about $20 that is perfect for motorcycles, not as fancy as the jaycar on but a bucket load cheaper.

Once you get it running ask someone to check the charging output of the bike for you, too high or low will ruin your new battery.

[howdamnhard]

What they said,very good advice.Nine times out of ten if you have let it stand for a few days and then it won't start it is your battery.A nice slow overnight charge ( check electrolyte level to) then pop it back in and then while running check the voltage output across the battery terminals with a multimeter.check your manual for the exact figures,but it should be above 13 volts(if too low possibly stator problem),normally measured around 4000rpm.Also check it doesn't go to high(rectifier/regulator problem) when you rev it up as this will fry your battery.
good luck,let us know how you get on.

[X-CoN]

ok well i looked on the battery charger it says 240v input and a 12v output, this is what i used to charge the batery on, now i am scared that i have fried my new bettery, also i was told to take the spark plug out and see if there was a spark being created. i am in the process of doing this, but think it might be a waste of time, so i would need to take my battery in to get checked?
i have checked the fule lines, the ones at the on and at the filter. and they are all go, so i should go down and get a arlic charger and a vold meter.

this is turning out to be a real hassel,

thanks alot guys for the help.

cheers

[Max Preload]

ok well i looked on the battery charger it says 240v input and a 12v output, this is what i used to charge the batery on, now i am scared that i have fried my new bettery

Presuming it's an actual proper lead-acid automotive battery charger, it's a only a nominal 12V, not actual. And it's 240V input because that's nominal domestic AC power.

You need to check the battery voltage. A multimeter can be bought for as little as $10 and is an excellent investment.

also i was told to take the spark plug out and see if there was a spark being created. i am in the process of doing this, but think it might be a waste of time, so i would need to take my battery in to get checked?
i have checked the fule lines, the ones at the on and at the filter. and they are all go, so i should go down and get a arlic charger and a vold meter.

this is turning out to be a real hassel,

thanks alot guys for the help.

cheers

Are you sure you're not just flooding it? Have you ever started it from cold before now, or was it always warm? Just sitting for a week or two wouldn't in itself prevent it from starting especially with a kick start option and enough charge on the battery to actually wind the engine over.

[X-CoN]

ok well i got the spark plugs out and there is no spark, can you get the spark plugs checked? i dont want to buy new ones if they are fine and i charged it with a 12v like it says on the instructions, i have i put choke full and then tryed half and then tryed no choke i am not sure of how to take the carburator out and empty it.

[JMemonic]

Ok take 1 step back.

Here's the first thing charge the battery overnight, check the charger where it says 12v out it will also so say and amperage rating ie 1.5A or something like that.

The bike was running what one to two weeks ago no big deal, not much will have changed in a few weeks after just sitting, your batter might be faulty and have gone flat no big deal you just need to charge up the new one, put the plugs back in the bike, turn the fuel tap to on or pri if it has it then try starting it, once the battery is fully charged you should have no problem.

To start it choke on hand of throttle, press starter until it coughs and then you should be way laughing.

[X-CoN]

ok mate so even if the plugs arnt sparking that should be alright? just put it all back in put the battery on charge it said it was charged when i took it off, ok and it said it was a 0.4 amps... 50mhz me confused now hehe ok well i have just put it back on and ill put the plugs back in and get it all ready for the big day tomorrow i hope it works i just want to ride hahaha
having bloody withdrawals!!!! gahhhh
you guys been a halp tho but some gets a bit confusing seeing im new with bikes.
i dont know how to empty the float bowl i ahve looked around.

[JMemonic]

ok mate so even if the plugs arnt sparking that should be alright? just put it all back in put the battery on charge it said it was charged when i took it off, ok and it said it was a 0.4 amps... 50mhz me confused now hehe ok well i have just put it back on and ill put the plugs back in and get it all ready for the big day tomorrow i hope it works i just want to ride hahaha
having bloody withdrawals!!!! gahhhh
you guys been a halp tho but some gets a bit confusing seeing im new with bikes.
i dont know how to empty the float bowl i ahve looked around.

No need to empty the float bowls at this stage, most likely that fuel has evaporated out of the bowls over the last few weeks hence looking for the pri selection on the fuel tap, if it has it. It will likely take a wee bit to start which is why you need a fully charged battery, oh by the way you can jumpstart off a car if you need, and have access to one.

[X-CoN]

oh ok well its saying that its fully charged.... should i unhook it or leave it on?
yeah i thought it should be fine to but thats why i took the plugs out cause it wouldnt kick over when it said it was fully charged, and all the gas lines are working, last thing was to see if there was even a spark. and its a new battery so cant say that it wont hold enough to creat a spark.
this one is puzzling me and other people that i ask, they all say the same things, and nothing is working

[JMemonic]

Although the charger says it is charged it still needs a good overnight charge, then reassemble the bike, plugs in , battery in etc, then try starting it, if it just goes click click or does not turn over then there is another issue.

As is said earlier put the fuel tap onto pri that will allow free flow of fuel to the carbs.

I have just realised that no where has anyone mentioned to you to check the fuses, you could have blown one that is causing issues, unfortunately the owners manual makes no mention of the fuse setup and, the wiring digram is a it difficult to read.

The plugs will not cause it to stop kicking over, so check the basics, out of gear and in neutral with the light showing, light on low beam (not that that will stop it starting), hand of the throttle, and choke on full, if it does not turn over on the electric start, try kicking it.

[quickbuck]

I have just realised that no where has anyone mentioned to you to check the fuses, you could have blown one that is causing issues, unfortunately the owners manual makes no mention of the fuse setup and, the wiring digram is a it difficult to read.
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That could well be it.
Very easy to pop the big 30 Amp fuse when fiddling around with the battery.
I know on my CBR that fuse is separate to all the others and isn't too far from the battery box....

A good indiaction that it has gone is there are no lights at all!

I can't remember for the life of me where it is on the GSX.
I don't think we ever got into these issues when we had one.

[X-CoN]

hey guys thanks for all your help
ok well the bike is going, i thought it was flooded but when the spark plugs where out there was no gas on them, ok so i took the advice and put it on the charger, then i put it back in hit the electric start it was turning over for bout a min then i herd it start to catch so i kept it down and bout 30 seconds later she was going!
so all that work was not nessasery. haha but you all great and thanks alot for the help
took it in to get parts today and taking it for wof tomorrow
cheers