Gaza

[SARGE]

I've always been of the opinion that Israel should be the bigger man in this - given the stats on those 'rockets' actually hitting anything I would bet the costs of this sort of military operation would be better diverted into developing defensive weapons that would make the rockets extremely unlikely to make it over. Not to mention they'd make a killing onselling the tech to everyone else.

not really the point on whether they hit anything or not.. fact is..if my neighbor were throwing rocks at my house after i asked him to stop i think my "bigger man" reaction would be to rock over to his place and pound the dogshit out of him

[Wally Simmonds]

not really the point on whether they hit anything or not.. fact is..if my neighbor were throwing rocks at my house after i asked him to stop i think my "bigger man" reaction would be to rock over to his place and pound the dogshit out of him

Yep. And that tactic has worked so well for everyone who has tried it.

[SARGE]

Yep. And that tactic has worked so well for everyone who has tried it.

yup.. slavery.. WW1.. WW2..Yom Kippur, i could go on


people would be surprised at exactly what violence DOES solve

[Wally Simmonds]

yup.. slavery.. WW1.. WW2..Yom Kippur, i could go on


people would be surprised at exactly what violence DOES solve

I think most people would be quite surprised! It's a pity you couldn't give more recent examples. I'll even let you off - you don't have to involve the US military if you're finding it a little hard.

[McJim]

If everyone would just sit down and watch "You don't mess with the Zohan" all the troubles would stop overnight.

[SARGE]

I think most people would be quite surprised! It's a pity you couldn't give more recent examples. I'll even let you off - you don't have to involve the US military if you're finding it a little hard.

ohh..(giggle) .. i love making it personal... careful where you step padwan



Grenada was a bit of a party.. 5 days of firefight.. 5 weeks of surfing..(ok... that was '83)


the second battle of Fajulla was a good example of overwhelming force.. so was Ramaldi.. taking Saddam's sons out was not a slap fight..neither was Tora Bora.. (ok.. Bin Laden "got away".. more on that as it becomes necessary)..

do i need to get into chapters or will the readers digest version work?.. i have heaps more if ya need..

[Wally Simmonds]

No, that's fine, excuse me if my interpretation of 'success' is different to what yours is.

[SARGE]

No, that's fine, excuse me if my interpretation of 'success' is different to what yours is.

different strokes bro

[dipshit]

people would be surprised at exactly what violence DOES solve

It's the American way after all.

[MisterD]

Is it much of a stretch of the imagination to wonder what would happen to the region if American military aid were to dry up due to severe economic conditions?

Or what would happen if some useful person put a bullet through Armeddinnerjacket and Iran stopped it's support for Hamas and Hisbollah?

Let get this straight, Israel doesn't want Gaza, it tried to give it back to Egypt in 1979 but Egypt said 'no thanks'...all Israel wants is the right to exist and not be constantly attacked.

[jonbuoy]

Its a shit fight, like most of Africa only more high tech and it always will be until only one is left standing.

[Hitcher]

people would be surprised at exactly what violence DOES solve

Indeed. If nothing else it is cathartic.

[Winston001]

I think most people would be quite surprised! It's a pity you couldn't give more recent examples. I'll even let you off - you don't have to involve the US military if you're finding it a little hard.

Good posts above Wally, just have to argue a bit.

North Vietnam won the war, Tibet - China won and is overwhelming the locals with Han immigration, the Balkans - only quietened down when the Americans got fed up with European dithering and acted, Falklands - Britain won, South Africa - ANC won, Georgia - Transnistria - Russia won, etc etc.

Violence can be preventative. There is a difference between aggression and defence. The Mongrel Mob commit violent crime, the Police need to use batons, tear gas, and pistols to stop and apprehend the criminals.

Should the Allies have stood back when Hitler controlled the whole of Europe and asked him to please stop and go home?

There is an excellent earlier post along the lines that if someone kept firing arrows into your house and you had an M16, is it any surprise that you eventually use it?

[Hitcher]

Violence is part of what defines us as humans. While this attribute may offend us, we have it hard wired into us. This programming is there for a reason and we need to use it wisely and only when necessary.

Humans are not pacifists or vegetarians. Some members of our community need to get with the programme.

[Winston001]

I'm a bit late to this thread, but I can't see how this sort of thing can continue. Is it much of a stretch of the imagination to wonder what would happen to the region if American military aid were to dry up due to severe economic conditions?

Israel has its own arms industry and could buy small arms from Belgium, Sweden etc but certainly the balance of power would shift. Other states wouldn't stop suplying Hizbollah and Hamas.

I've always been of the opinion that Israel should be the bigger man in this - given the stats on those 'rockets' actually hitting anything I would bet the costs of this sort of military operation would be better diverted into developing defensive weapons that would make the rockets extremely unlikely to make it over. Not to mention they'd make a killing onselling the tech to everyone else.

Agreed - and that is why they built that awful wall - to be defensive.

I'm glad you touched on Israel taking the high moral ground because as a nation, it does. Essentially it is a first world economy whose people just want to live in peace. The average Israeli has learned to live with the possibility of violence but don't think about it much. Hatred of the Palestinians/Arabs isn't taught as doctrine.

Israel has had quite a few opportunities to hugely expand the size of the whole country but hasn't done so. None of this is any help to the Palestinians but they lived side by side with Jewish settlers before 1948, its possible to do it again.