What happens when you pull a dog's goolies

[Tank]

you lot are all nuts !!!!

either that or you all own pretend dogs like poodles or some such

umm - I have a Chihuahua (a miniature Chihuahua at that).

But she is tougher than she looks.

[Whynot]

umm - I have a Chihuahua (a miniature Chihuahua at that).

But she is tougher than she looks.

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[TerminalAddict]

umm - I have a Chihuahua (a miniature Chihuahua at that).

But she is tougher than she looks.

   

[mister.koz]

Its a hard one, just because an animal is lower in the pecking order doesn't mean it can freely be injured and not be allowed to retaliate.

The kid should have learned the first time. Its real shame about the facial damage though but then how do you teach a dog that a 'nip' will do?

I wonder if the dog growled at the kid the first time? I remember my nana's boxer growling at me once when i tried to pick it up... needless to say i never tried that again.

[Winston001]

I have lived this child's experience.

Once upon a time, when I was 4 years old, I was out with my dad on the farm. One of our dogs chased a sheep and dad gave it a hiding. Not a common event, but that's the way farmers trained their dogs.

Lunchtime arrived. Dad gave the three dogs a bone each, then he wandered a few yards to check the henhouse. Being in total awe of dad, I picked up a stick and started poking Johndog (as he was called) telling him he was naughty. Johndog was under the ute gnawing his bone and keeping a wary eye out for other dogs. Sharing and caring isn't the doggy way.....

I can still remember a flash of brown and white, then lots of blood, my mother screaming, a fast trip in our Hillman Minx to Invercargill, the doctor, the hospital.......and reconstructive facial surgery on my nose over the next two years.

At no point - never - did I blame the dog. Even at 4 years I understood why he attacked. Dad did too and Johndog died of old age. I liked him and I like dogs today - preferably in a paddock with a job to do.

So the bites this 3yr old experienced need not leave any permanent mark although somehow I fear his mother won't be explaining that and he'll grow up with a chip on his shoulder......

[pixc]

The child was not supervised properly by its primary care-giver. ITS THE CARE-GIVERS FAULT. 100%. A dog has big teeth. It is a preditor. I dont care how well mannered and trained a dog is, i believe ALL dogs have the potential to harm/bite etc. Except the old toothless ones. Shame on the care-giver..and shame on the dog owner for letting the dog get harassed.

on a different subject....i saw on tv tonight, they are training dogs to sniff out cancer and getting good results.

...damn...ive got the munchies..

[shaymas]

I note with interest the number of nails mum has through her own face...

yes we did see her studs but bet you her son must have been watching or seen her do that someones nuts should have put her down

[Dave Lobster]

Is 'caregiver' the new name for his mother? Much like 'loved ones' is the media's new name for 'family'?

[ajturbo]

Neopolitan Mastiffs are notoriously laid back. Whoever was "supervising" that child should have their arse kicked, it sounds like it was completely their fault.

We were at a family bbq recently where a couple of dogs were tearing around playing silly buggers and generally being over-excited. When the action got a little close to our son I was there in a flash to nip anything in the bud. I do not even allow my son to be unsupervised with our own dogs. The sooner people learn this, the less children will be bitten by dogs.

O frig.. you mean that i should NOT have let luke look after my 4 mutts on his own when he was young??? dam,

or 13 of fred's brothers and sisters... got a photo some where, of a sea of white covering luke ( think he was 5 at the time) (fred and the rest were about 8 weeks old though .. hahahahah)

[ynot slow]

Seems some people shouldn't be parents,maybe she is pretty inteligent eh?worked out that can get $x on dole,but more $ wiv kids a.

At a bbq with small kids someone should be looking after them,not necisarily athe mum,but take turns between each other.If little Johnny is getting into trouble the person looking out can say something to the mum or dad.

Wonder what she would've said if the little shit put his hand on the bbq hotplate instead as curious kids will want to do.

[Badjelly]

You lot are all nuts !!!! Either that or you all own pretend dogs like poodles or some such

Mrs Jelly & I don't have any dogs at the moment, but the last ones were miniature daschunds, as will the next ones be. You might be a bit careful about suggesting they're not real dogs, if you value your ankles.

Its a given that strainer face (the mum) has obviously had her brains driain out of her head through her many holes .. but a dog should knows it place in the pack .. .surely?

I absolutely hate it when I hear dog owners say "don't go near rover when he has food" .. I'll take the fucken food straight from my dogs mouth with my own teeth if I want to, and he will will be damned pleased I let him have some food before I robbed it from him ... who's the big dog !!!

I my dogs don't ask nicely the don't get food .. needless to say it has never been in issue . .they always ask nicely it is their place in the pack after all

Have you ever had a 2 year old visitor take food from your dog's plate?

Family members may be above the dogs in the pack (they certainly should be) but strange children are not. A well-adjusted dog will give small children a bit of latitude (as you do for a puppy) but sometimes (in doggy terms) a puppy needs to be given a quick nip when it's overstepped the boundaries.

What people don 't take enough account of is that dogs see the world very differently to people. When a dog sees children as packmates or unruly puppies, there's not going to be too much damage done. When a dog sees them as threatening invaders or (worse) prey, bad things can happen.

[TerminalAddict]

indeed .. all things need to be thought of ....

I guess like any "good" dog own .. my dogs get locked up when stragers are around, especially if those strangers are dog savvy, or are underlings

and I am far from the perfect dog owner

here's a story

Mum, Dad, and young child riding on dad's shoulders walk passed our house with thier dog.
Passing dog picks a fight with my dog, in my front lawn (dumb idea)
My dog weighing in at 60kilos takes up challenge, and chases passing dog back out on the road.
Dad, still with child on shoulders decides its a good idea to intervene.
Trips over the two scrapping dogs, and child who was riding on shoulders goes for a skate down the tarseal.
My dog gets in trouble from the council ... grrrrr

People should know that dog should be treated just like children ... you wouldn't let your child randomly wander in to your neighbours front lawn and pick a fight ? bah !!!! dumb people.

on the "I own a bad dog" front:
Another of my neighbours rings me one sunday night.
"one of your dogs was on my deck getting in to our rubbish, I whacked it with something hard . .thought you might like to know"
me: "Roger that, if it happens again giz a ring, and I will come down and whack it with some thing hard"

next sunday: "RING, RING"
me: sneaks down the road, sneaks up on my dog, yelled and waived something hard, dog nearly jumps out of skin

Following sunday dog stayed home

[Badjelly]

Of our last dogs, Oscar and Elton, Elton was pretty easy going but Oscar was a bit stroppy and occasionally needed to be reminded who's boss. Oscar grew up with teenagers & adults and was fine with them, but he didn't like toddlers, not one little bit. Dangerous, unpredictable things that run up to you squealing and grab you by the ears. Yuk! So we made bloody sure he didn't get into a situation where he thought he was being attacked by one. He growled at a few, but nothing worse ever happened.

However, Oscar and Elton, being long-haired miniature dachshunds, were seriously cute and we regularly took them collecting for the SPCA at supermarkets etc. They were great little earners. The dogs had their own mat and sat there while a succession of young children came up and patted them (after asking our permission, of course). There was never a hint of aggression from either dog, though after a while Oscar indicated that he was getting a bit sick of it so we let him hide behind our legs. It's all about context. The dogs knew that in this context they were required to tolerate children.

We would never have let Oscar play unsupervised with strange children. With the young ones he would have given them a nip to tell them to go away. With the older ones he would have got over-excited and unpredictable.

[Badjelly]

We had a Doberman (Male) which we gave away as we didnt have the time to look after it they way it needed to be, as they are 1 hell of a dog to look after food wise as well as exercise wise. The people we gave it to had him in the back yard of their property when friends of theres came around to visit them along with their 2 yr old son who decided to poke the dog the whole time he was there with a stick in the face. Well you know what happened next, Yeah you have it, the dog got fed up with being attacked by the young child who ended up with 120 internal stitches and 100 external stitches to his face and because the child had to go to the hospital for treatment and the hospital found out how he got his facial injuries the cops were bought in and the dog destroyed. Wheres the justice in that and y should any animal have to put up with that type of treatment especially when it was on its own property.

Quite right. The correct thing to do would have to been to jail the adults who failed to supervise the child and the dog.

[mstriumph]

.............Family members may be above the dogs in the pack (they certainly should be) but strange children are not. A well-adjusted dog will give small children a bit of latitude (as you do for a puppy) but sometimes (in doggy terms) a puppy needs to be given a quick nip when it's overstepped the boundaries.

What people don 't take enough account of is that dogs see the world very differently to people. When a dog sees children as packmates or unruly puppies, there's not going to be too much damage done. When a dog sees them as threatening invaders or (worse) prey, bad things can happen.

too right
we have a Huntaway and a German Short-Haired Pointer ...... they are valued members of our family but we never forget they are DOGS and the pack system applies ..... ours are below us, the kids, the donkeys and the cat and we trust them - but we wouldn't allow them unsupervised when strangers come to the house --- ESPECIALLY strangers with kids - i mean, we know we've trained our animals to behave but it would be a bit silly to assume that strangers have trained their children as carefully?