Junior Post Classic

**roadracingoldfart** · 16th January 2009, 19:07

Originally Posted by malcy25

errr, nope!

Refer the MNZ news item in Jun 2008 calling for feedback on the pre 89 rules. Those provisional rules were wrtitten by members of the technical committee from the NZPCRA

The feedback was positive and IIRC there were no changes of note to be made to the rules. Further to that I understand they are being adopted and will be in the rule book some time soon.

The concept was originally dreamed up by Ian Dawson who basically handed it over to the NZPCRA a few years ago and they have been working with it since then, though not as a set of rules in a rule book - more watching, and waiting for the interest to gain and get enough mass to work with properly and doing all the associated investigation of componentry/bikes etc to form the basis of the rules.

Some confusion may exist was that until now, there were no pre 89 rules in the MNZ rule book (most of the guys on the tech committee were too busy racing!)....and they got absorbed into pre 82 events at some meetings due to lack of understanding by the event owners. Wanganui and Paeroa effectively for years by the way the supp regs were written, as per the MNZ rule book for Posties Which meant Pre 82 and Pre 72 bikes only (which is fair enough).

The Draft rules also made their way to Aussie, who aligned their cut off's with NZ in NSW NE 1 and NE2 - they took the pre 89 concept and enlivened it, plus added a following period of up to Dec 31st 1995. I believe these will also get adopted nationally at some point in the future.

In the gap between the 2006 and 2007 winter season i asked MNZ for a ruling over a poss eng change i had an idea for , I quote Paul Stewart "umm we have no rules set for the pre 89s so ill refer you to the NZPCRR but i cant see an issue with what you plan"
I spoke to the NZPCRR gut on the phone and he told me that the only rules were based on age , IE if a frame was say a 1987 and the engine was a 1988 then the bike was classed as a 1988 , the rational was based on the youngest major component. I asked for that to be put in writing so if i got a protest i could support my machine and the guy ducked for cover saying "we dont do that". I wish i wrote his name down at the time .
I made submitions to the tech comittee at the time and dint get a reply or any feedback but i know my application was recieved by them. Ian Dawson (or Nai Noswad ) as he is known to me is a valuble man for the sport and can be seen now doing interviews etc for tele , he and i have raced for many years and with his old tyre brand i recon we blew half the stock away at Manfeild between us .
Vince Sharp has had some imput to the class rules from what i understand and as hes now getting back into it a bit more i hope he helps to clarify the rules . Unless they are published then the racers dont have a clue as the class generally asks within itself to get a rule clarification.(as nothings printed).

I am really happy to see this thread get a bit of imput as its the best little class in the world in my opinion.
Old is good

Paul.

**WarrenW** · 16th January 2009, 19:22

Yeah just look at me ! Old IS good !!! LOL

**rustys** · 17th January 2009, 12:35

Originally Posted by WarrenW

Yeah just look at me ! Old IS good !!! LOL

Yeh and we still give them a run for there money don't we Warren.

As Paul says it is the best raceing class out there, where you don't need a super competitive machine, spending lots of money to have good close racing at times.

Just hope that MNZ keep the rules for the machines simple and basic.

**rachprice** · 17th January 2009, 12:37

hmmm very tempting, now whether I can afford to do it on my student budget living in Wellington will be another story

**rustys** · 17th January 2009, 14:26

Cause you can !
Nothings impossible, plenty of good people out there to help you along.
See you tomorrow at Manfield.
I will be leading the novice group, on a "street stock" 150. That will be fun.

**Duke girl** · 17th January 2009, 20:30

Here's hoping the streetstock will be able to do the speed to keep in front of the Novice group otherwise get out the way unless you want to get run over.

**rachprice** · 17th January 2009, 20:46

Originally Posted by rustys

Cause you can !
Nothings impossible, plenty of good people out there to help you along.
See you tomorrow at Manfield.
I will be leading the novice group, on a "street stock" 150. That will be fun.

Oh true well its my second so I might start in novice, Im also on my friends streetstock 150 cos my RGV flywheel decided to fuck itself!

**malcy25** · 19th January 2009, 12:05

Originally Posted by roadracingoldfart

In the gap between the 2006 and 2007 winter season i asked MNZ for a ruling over a poss eng change i had an idea for , I quote Paul Stewart "umm we have no rules set for the pre 89s so ill refer you to the NZPCRR but i cant see an issue with what you plan"
I spoke to the NZPCRR gut on the phone and he told me that the only rules were based on age , IE if a frame was say a 1987 and the engine was a 1988 then the bike was classed as a 1988 , the rational was based on the youngest major component. I asked for that to be put in writing so if i got a protest i could support my machine and the guy ducked for cover saying "we dont do that". I wish i wrote his name down at the time .
I made submitions to the tech comittee at the time and dint get a reply or any feedback but i know my application was recieved by them. Ian Dawson (or Nai Noswad ) as he is known to me is a valuble man for the sport and can be seen now doing interviews etc for tele , he and i have raced for many years and with his old tyre brand i recon we blew half the stock away at Manfeild between us .
Vince Sharp has had some imput to the class rules from what i understand and as hes now getting back into it a bit more i hope he helps to clarify the rules . Unless they are published then the racers dont have a clue as the class generally asks within itself to get a rule clarification.(as nothings printed).

I am really happy to see this thread get a bit of imput as its the best little class in the world in my opinion.
Old is good

Paul.

Paul

Thanks - interesting read - sorry haven't got a lot of time right now for a long response so excuse my briefness.
Paul S's comments are basically correct and I think given where the pre 89 rules were at the time he answered correctly withoiut being a subject matter expert.

In terms of interaction with the NZPCRA technical guys. Who and how was the correspondence with? This stuff usually gets circulated pretty quick within the tech committee.

The "in writing"
1) There were no pre 89 rules formalised so until now, thus there were no rules to protest against. Something I don't know if many people ever realised!!
2) trying to confirm in writing against a set of rules that didn't exist and were still in "development" would only leave whomever exposed or you complaining because they had changed against what was previously said. 3) The proof is on the owner/rider with regards to eligibility. UItimately the guys try hard to help, but the requestor has to provide the proof (otherwise the tech committee just spends100's of hours trying to find information for everyone) 4) and yes the rule book does and will for pre 89 say that the age of the newest major component will date the machine over all ie engine 88, rest of bike 87, 88 is taken as the the "date".

Rules should be in the next issue of the MNZ rule book. Some of the delay has been people (Ie families, businesses etc etc), some of the last bit has been the rule submission and production process, sign off time lines etc, rule book publication times etc.

Vince is still on the tech committee which is made up by a bunch of guys throughout NZ, including SI, jap brand and Italian, Euro specialists and guys who were actually there. Some are gungho, some re long term thinking. Fabulous arguments between them all over the years getting to the answer that results in a rule change or whatever, lots of fun!

But having seem the Aussie rules closely and NZ rules and UK bikes etc., the NZ rules whilst at times they annoy some riders because they can't use what they want, they provide a good a balance of cost control and what was available.

PM me for more as required and I can fill in more gaps.

**lostinflyz** · 19th January 2009, 13:15

if anyones actually serious about going pre 89 racing ive got a 89 vfr400 up for sale. it needs a little work but shouldn't be too hard. its had alot of money spent trying to get it setup and is a bargain. and i REALLY need it gone. don't be put off by the description. its me being honest as this was sold to me saying needed a few things done. and i refuse to be a bullshiter.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...689079&ed=true

make an offer if ya want it. ill consider anything.

**rachprice** · 19th January 2009, 13:18

Originally Posted by lostinflyz

if anyones actually serious about going pre 89 racing ive got a 89 vfr400 up for sale. it needs a little work but shouldn't be too hard. its had alot of money spent trying to get it setup and is a bargain. and i REALLY need it gone. don't be put off by the description. its me being honest as this was sold to me saying needed a few things done. and i refuse to be a bullshiter.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...px?id=19768907

make an offer if ya want it. ill consider anything.

trademe link goes to some batteries?

**lostinflyz** · 19th January 2009, 13:22

really fast pre 89 batteries. try the link again or this one

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...689079&ed=true

sorry

**WarrenW** · 19th January 2009, 13:22

Will have some pics up on the website soon. Check it out this evening and you will see some great shots of you in Turn one from yesterday

**rachprice** · 19th January 2009, 13:38

hmmm I'm currently torn between streetstock and postclassic.....

**Clivoris** · 19th January 2009, 13:50

Originally Posted by rachprice

hmmm I'm currently torn between streetstock and postclassic.....

Some greedy buggers are planning on doing both *coughs* Rusty.
Strong arguments for both. Streetstock is cheeper and you will probably develop better racecraft and skills. It sounds like there will be a sizeable field this Winter Series as well, if all the talkers front up.