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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpess View Post
    There is a time and place to be publically demanding and ask others to cough up the money
    You are right. Now, the real question is whether the rental company asks money publicly through the papers, or whether someone else grieving to the papers about them, or whether the papers were looking for news (God forbid! They wouldn't, would they?)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmoot View Post
    You are right. Now, the real question is whether the rental company asks money publicly through the papers, or whether someone else grieving to the papers about them, or whether the papers were looking for news (God forbid! They wouldn't, would they?)?


    Can only speculate. Your 2nd choice tends to slap one in the face, and is likely probable. I dont think media would stoop that low would they?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpess View Post
    Can only speculate. Your 2nd choice tends to slap one in the face, and is likely probable. I dont think media would stoop that low would they?
    If I were the rental company, for that $1800 I would declare the family do not need to pay the towing/key cost. I reckon that could also go to the media, giving me nationwide exposure (and possibly Australian exposure too!) at the cost of only $1800. That is a very cheap exposure!

    Would that make me lower than low though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by klingon View Post
    Yep, quite sure.

    ACC only applies to New Zealand residents, not overseas visitors. Overseas visitors have not waived their right to sue (as we have done by having ACC) so theoretically they could then sue any New Zealander who was the cause of their accident or injury. That opens a can of worms, doesn't it?!

    We have reciprocal medical arrangements with Australia and the UK, so if this happens to one of their citizens in NZ they will not be charged. For everyone else its user (or family of user) pays.

    EDIT:
    Sorry about that - I just looked up the documentation and a motor vehicle accident is apparently covered by ACC. An assault, however, is not.
    Not quite:
    http://www.acc.co.nz/claims/am-i-covered/index.htm

    ACC offers 24-hour, seven-day-a-week, no-fault eligibility for comprehensive injury cover for everyone in New Zealand:

    • no matter what you’re doing or where you are when you’re injured – driving, playing sport, at home, at work.
    • no matter how the injury happened, even if you did something yourself to contribute to it.
    • no matter what age you are or whether you’re working – you might be retired, a child, on a benefit or studying.


    Visitors to New Zealand are also eligible for cover, as are New Zealanders who travel overseas on short trips.

    What if I am a visitor to New Zealand?
    If you need information about ACC in your own language we have interpreters for over 30 different languages, and Pacific and Asian advisors who can provide cultural support and help. See the Claims index for more information, or contact ACC Claims.

    If you’re injured during your visit to New Zealand, ACC may be able to help with the cost of treatment and support you need while you’re here. However, it is important to be aware that you cannot sue for personal injury – ACC replaces that right.

    ACC only covers treatment and rehabilitation costs while you are in New Zealand; it is not a replacement for travel insurance and does not cover illness, disrupted travel plans or emergency travel to get you back home. We recommend you arrange travel insurance before visiting New Zealand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    Not quite:
    http://www.acc.co.nz/claims/am-i-covered/index.htm

    ACC offers 24-hour, seven-day-a-week, no-fault eligibility for comprehensive injury cover for everyone in New Zealand:... etc
    Oops! Thanks for clearing that up, Mully!

    I used to work for Auckland Hospital (in the days when they were CHEs) and it was one of my jobs to send bills to the families of the unfortunate victims of mishaps in NZ. (Definitely one of the worst jobs I ever had.) We used to bill families of accident victims directly, but it looks things have changed, and that is not done any more. Thank goodness!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    I thought this would be covered by ACC, no?

    And if not, why do people who need to be Search and Rescued off mountains not have to pay the costs?
    or or or what about stupid motorcycle riders who crash, or rugby players?? most climbers i know are part of a SAR team, and quite often rescue car drivers (over cliffs etc). most mountain rescues involve the victom making a rather large donation to the team anyway, so i guess the south westland team should have some funding in the pipe line, they are after all the ones who risked their necks for a couple of stiffs, they get bugger all funding from the govt. so if climbers pay to get rescued, we pay to get scraped off roads, fair enough eh

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    This is not a case of an "accident"

    This was 2 idiots walking past several warning signs and paying the price for their stupidity.

    I believe that the rental company is quite entitled to look for compensation.

    The claim should be made on the deceased's estate though. I don't think the family should have to pay. If the deceased estate has no money, then bad luck for the rental company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klingon View Post
    I used to work for Auckland Hospital (in the days when they were CHEs) and it was one of my jobs to send bills to the families of the unfortunate victims of mishaps in NZ.
    So did my sister - her quip was that Auckland Healthcare was known as "A+" and A+CHE = ACHE.

    My understanding now is that treatment for illness is charged for non-applicable persons. (we had to prove Miss Mully's mother was entitled)
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatmonkey View Post
    or or or what about stupid motorcycle riders who crash, or rugby players?? most climbers i know are part of a SAR team, and quite often rescue car drivers (over cliffs etc). most mountain rescues involve the victom making a rather large donation to the team anyway, so i guess the south westland team should have some funding in the pipe line, they are after all the ones who risked their necks for a couple of stiffs, they get bugger all funding from the govt. so if climbers pay to get rescued, we pay to get scraped off roads, fair enough eh
    *sigh*

    We pay ACC levies as part of the annual licencing fee. And on petrol. What's your point? Tourists tend to not pay ACC levies (excluding any petrol they may buy, which wouldn't get close to the cost to rescuing a couple of tourists off Mt Cook).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    So did my sister - her quip was that Auckland Healthcare was known as "A+" and A+CHE = ACHE.
    And of course the morgue was called "Stiff CHEs"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    *sigh*

    We pay ACC levies as part of the annual licencing fee. And on petrol. What's your point? Tourists tend to not pay ACC levies (excluding any petrol they may buy, which wouldn't get close to the cost to rescuing a couple of tourists off Mt Cook).
    do climbers not pay acc levies on their motorcycles/ cars/vans, and do they not put petrol in them. remeber the quote was for climbers, not overseas climbers climbing in nz. that is my point, but if you reckon climbers don't then i might have to ask for some money back from the govt. buy the way guided overseas climbers pay acc levies, its part of the guides fee. it fucks me off when dip shits start calling for climbers to pay for there own rescue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatmonkey View Post
    do climbers not pay acc levies on their motorcycles/ cars/vans, and do they not put petrol in them. remeber the quote was for climbers, not overseas climbers climbing in nz. that is my point, but if you reckon climbers don't then i might have to ask for some money back from the govt. buy the way guided overseas climbers pay acc levies, its part of the guides fee. it fucks me off when dip shits start calling for climbers to pay for there own rescue.
    Jesus H Christ.

    My Point is that overseas climbers should pay if they need to be rescued. We were, at the time, discussing whether overseas visitors were covered by ACC and my point was if they are not (covered by ACC) then why do they not have to pay to be rescued from mountains (or lakes, seas, etc for that matter)?

    And I would suggest that guided climbers (who you claim pay ACC levies) do not have to be rescued as often as unguided climbers.

    The ones that pay ACC levies should be fine - those who don't should have to pay the costs of their rescue is my point.

    If you find a post by me where I have said "NZ Citizens should have to pay to be rescued" in any form, I will buy you a beer.

    Oh, and if you are going to call people dip shits, you might want to sprinkle some capitals around your posts - and question marks where you are asking a question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    Jesus H Christ.

    My Point is that overseas climbers should pay if they need to be rescued. We were, at the time, discussing whether overseas visitors were covered by ACC and my point was if they are not (covered by ACC) then why do they not have to pay to be rescued from mountains (or lakes, seas, etc for that matter)?

    And I would suggest that guided climbers (who you claim pay ACC levies) do not have to be rescued as often as unguided climbers.

    The ones that pay ACC levies should be fine - those who don't should have to pay the costs of their rescue is my point.

    If you find a post by me where I have said "NZ Citizens should have to pay to be rescued" in any form, I will buy you a beer.

    Oh, and if you are going to call people dip shits, you might want to sprinkle some capitals around your posts - and question marks where you are asking a question.
    you said "And if not, why do people who need to be Search and Rescued off mountains not have to pay the costs?"
    so either the only people who need to be rescued off mountains are not nz citizens or climbers are not considered nz citizens?? although i do agree with you, overseas travellers should have to pay for rescue, medical etc. maybe if you are a little more clearer in your posts. oh do you need question marks etc to understand my posts?. heres a couple to make up??????? hope thats enough to cover it, if there are a few left over, you can have them for later. SMA (capitals, cos i forgot)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatmonkey View Post
    you said "And if not, why do people who need to be Search and Rescued off mountains not have to pay the costs?"
    so either the only people who need to be rescued off mountains are not nz citizens or climbers are not considered nz citizens?? although i do agree with you, overseas travellers should have to pay for rescue, medical etc. maybe if you are a little more clearer in your posts. oh do you need question marks etc to understand my posts?. heres a couple to make up??????? hope thats enough to cover it, if there are a few left over, you can have them for later. SMA (capitals, cos i forgot)
    OK then. One more time to clarify.

    I was replying to post number 16 in this thread, by Klingon, which said that visitors were not covered by ACC if they got beaten up. I showed this by quoting said post in post 21 in this thread. Continuing this line of thought (the clue was "And if not", the "And" implies there was something before it) I asked if they didn't get ACC, why are S&R costs not billed to them. No-one else seems to have been confused as to who the "them" that I referred to was.

    Be that as it may, given one of the country's main earners is tourism, it seems unlikely that compulsory travel insurance (probably by means of a levy) will be put onto people. Which, we seem to agree, sucks.

    Oh, and it's not that I need question marks or capitals to understand your posts, it's just that calling people dipshits when it appears you type with your feet comes across a bit hypocritical. Especially when it seems you were the only person to mis-understand who I was talking about.
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    What's the name of the rental company?

    If I'm ever in Chch, I'll definitely be renting a car from him.
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