'Rider down' threads for strangers - yes or no?

[Genestho]

You want me to extend empathy to an habitual bike thief? An habitual drunk rider? An habitual reckless fucking clown?

Fuck that.

You dont have to, but its fair that if others feel the need, then they can..IMHO!

True that SD

[SARGE]

Voted No

sick of it, same goes with Binned it threads.

im in favor of a binned-it thread.. as long as its entertaining.. ( Skidmark and the Moron Few running out of talent is ALWAYS entertaining..)

[Donor]

Yet you open the thread, the thread title states exactly what it is.

Yet in you come?

It's part of motorcycling, people die, why not give a fallen rider a mention?

ill be sure not to think of you then **eyeroll**

Yet all you have said you want this type of thread banned, have opened this one to have a nosey.....
You don't have to look, you know, it is purely voluntary...
Pot = kettle= black

It's called right of reply.

'nuff said.

[James Deuce]

if its someone i know.. im sure my phone will ring..

Yes, indeedly.

[Dakara]

Sitting on the fence a bit here.... the posts are depressing, the following 10 pages of "RIP, Thoughts to family..." is just copy past garbage....

But it reminds us of our mortality and slows us down... well does for me anyway.

[The Lone Rider]

There are so many KB people crashing their bikes do we need posts about non kb people to?

[skidMark]

Wouldn't you think that if it was a KB Member who was killed, that his family if they wanted to, would put something on KB letting those who knew that rider what has happened without someone who doesnt know the rider involved starting up a thread about it?. Its only fair that the family of the deceased find out 1st before those of us who dont even know the rider killed.

Family did find out first, it was a day after the accident that i posted, and police had officially released the name of the deaceased....

Police only ever do this after next of kin have been formally notified.

[LBD]

On the contrary i think having them on the site reminds us we need to take care and maybe that depressing should make some realise they arn't as bulletproof as they think they are.

guarantee kb deaths would go up without these threads.... but you wouldn't hear about them....

but you would because any kb death would still be posted

I think it's fair to post details of fatalities, I like to know who's been killed so I can work out if it's someone I know.

I think it's probably ok to post something if as I said earlier there is a personal involvement, but even then my personal opinion is that this is not the sort of thing for internet forums - consider the feelings of the persons family & friends, it's bad enough when these stories are all over the news but to commit them to internet gossip is tasteless in my book.

How about a section for deaths/ biker accidents on police releases etc.

Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me, just from scanning the threads that have mentioned this it would appear that the majority aren't fans of rider down posts but there is a large enough body of opposing opinion not to be ignored.
Having the requirement to join the sub forum to read posts would be an excellent solution imho

I agree that something needs to be posted to notify the members, I also agree it is probably not appropriate to have an open forum every time an accident/ fatality happens.

A sub forum is a good idea, but instead of a need to subscribe to the forum, the forum may only contributed to by site administrators/moderators. Little like notices in the paper that cannot be responded to. All pertinant police notices that are related to motor cycles and MC accidents, not just fatalities are posted there. And to help learn from accidents, after an initial posting of an accident or fatality, a police findings notice is later added. That should add to our collective riding wisdom.

I think that in the case of a fatality involving a KB member, the site administrator/moderators could post a collective sympathy note on the site on behalf of the membership.

Its true that if I was involved in an accident (and survived) and was at fault I would want to keep the fact somewhat quiet, and not posted on the forum, however police findings are public and if one other person learnt from my mistake, then there is value....

And if a member wants to bury their head in the sand and not take advantage of potential lessons to learn, then they do not need to open the forum and view the contents.

Just my thoughts.....

[Forest]

I support these threads simply because road death is an ongoing part of the riding community.

Censoring these threads just hides the fact that our choice of activity is intrinsically dangerous.

[Tank]

if anyones stupid enough to text while riding, they are probably going to bin their bike sometime sooner or later anyway

James,

That was humour - most of us know (not all mind you) that its a bad idea.

Welcome to KB.

[pritch]

I think it's fair enough if somebody from KB is involved in an accident that details be given of what hospital they are in, when visitors are allowed, etc etc.

Similarly if the crash was fatal, details of the funeral, messages of condolence, etc wouldn't be inappropriate.

Just to rush to post a story of a fatal crash with no real detail is pointless.
Almost as pointless as suddenly starting to text everybody you know to ask if they are dead.

Bin stories, or near-bin stories, may illustrate a point of riding technique and are thus potentially useful. I would say that though, I recently posted one.

[imdying]

I voted no, but given the number of yes votes, an opt into subforum seems like a good compromise.

To be honest, I'd much rather see Happy Birthday threads banned before these.

[Drew]

Nope, are we not all aware that people die in bike crashes? If you weren't, then I'm sorry to inform you it happens.

People also die falling in the shower, perhaps we should start a thread every time that happens, since most of us here shower too. (Perhaps not skidMark, I hear that little cock smoker stinks something fierce.)

[Okey Dokey]

Please no censorship about what sort of threads or posts. If I don't like the title of a thread then I don't open it.

Well, this is a sensible approach, and I agree.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Bloody boats are more dangerous than motorbikes, yet on www.kiwiboatbotherers.co.nz do they have "oh, no another drowning OMG WTF" threads?

I dont like "biker down" threads, and dont really read or post in them. Its just my Anglo Saxon nature and keeping a stiff upper lip I guess.