Basic handling skills certificate and scooters

**honem** · 7th December 2008, 13:06

I've been swotting up for my motorcycle learner's License and I have a question for you guys.

Can you sit your Basic handling skills certificate on a scooter?

See I'm wanting to get a 125CC Scooter to commute to the CBD in Hamilton as from posts on here I feel it's a good balance between power and safety (50CC being too small)

But on Ward Fischer's website http://www.roaduser.co.nz/ He says something not being able to sit it on a scooter or not.

Will it be like totally confusing learning on a motorbike then transferring to a scooter ?

**Dave Lobster** · 7th December 2008, 15:05

It isn't like totally confusing at all.

You would be learning on something with gears, and moving to (presumably) an auto scooter. That isn't anything like confusing.

**honem** · 7th December 2008, 22:21

Sweet as bro

**retro asian** · 7th December 2008, 22:24

You can sit it on a scooter that's bigger than 50cc.
But if you've got the chance to learn on a bike, that might be a better experience...

**MyGSXF:Me** · 7th December 2008, 22:26

If ya can get yaself to Wgtn.. go see Andrew & Lynne at

www.roadsafe.co.nz

They supply the bikes for the learn to ride courses & license testing!

Plus the BEST investment you can spend on your motorcycling passion.. is on good rider training!!!!

& they are like.. totally awesome dude!!

& welcome to KB!! ENJOY!!!

**klingon** · 8th December 2008, 10:40

IMO you're much better to learn on a (geared) bike, then transfer back to a scooter if you want to.

I learned on a bike and now I can just hop on any bike or scooter and ride it. My friend learned on a scooter and now she can only ride scooters because she has no idea about using gears.

**nivram** · 4th January 2009, 20:45

Originally Posted by retro asian

You can sit it on a scooter that's bigger than 50cc.
But if you've got the chance to learn on a bike, that might be a better experience...

Not true I sat my 6L on a 49cc scooter.

**bondagebunny** · 6th January 2009, 12:13

Originally Posted by nivram

Not true I sat my 6L on a 49cc scooter.

your licence is probably invalid - 50cc are mopeds and it is not legal to sit test on a moped.

**The Baron** · 6th January 2009, 15:19

Hi. My wife sat her BHS on a suzuki 125 scooter about seven months ago.

**Lee Rusty** · 6th January 2009, 15:30

I supply a 125cc scooter for those who are stepping up from the 50cc range for those wanting to do there test.

Im do my tests sunday after noon in South Auckland which is only an hours drive from Hamilton

**davereid** · 6th January 2009, 19:01

You can sit your test on a scooter, even a moped. I have had heaps of customers do it.

Don't sweat the gears thing - staying in one piece on a two wheeler is about attitude, awareness of other vehicles and common sense, not the design of the gearbox.

**gixxer-king** · 7th January 2009, 14:21

clarification required.
so is it or is it not legal to sit BHS on a moped. i thought the handling being quite different to that of a bike would render that a silly idea. at the same time whos to say you are wanting to ride a bike afterwards so it seems silly either way. but then again you need never have driven a manual transmission car but get your full licence (in an auto) and the govt says your safe to drive something with an extra pedal needs another hand to operate and another set of rules to understand so go figure

**ZK-Awesome** · 8th January 2009, 10:21

In Nelson the info sheet specifically said you couldn't do the test on a moped, had to be on a bike registered as a motorbike.

**davereid** · 8th January 2009, 11:12

You can't use a moped for a restricted or full licence practical test, its mentioned in fact sheet 28.

Its fine for basic handling test however.

You can use a scooter that is registered as a motorcycle for all tests, even if it is under 50cc.

**Lee Rusty** · 13th January 2009, 13:00

Originally Posted by davereid

You can't use a moped for a restricted or full licence practical test, its mentioned in fact sheet 28.

Its fine for basic handling test however.

You can use a scooter that is registered as a motorcycle for all tests, even if it is under 50cc.

I have listed all this info here before but i will do so again

Read the driver licencing rule of 1999 page 13 tells you to get a BSH as covered in clause 48'.

Clause 48 Section 4 page 25 states an applicant for a 6L must take a BSH test in part D of schedule 6

THe BSH test is all laid out under schedule 6 as a practical driving test.

Clause 50 states that pracical driving tests are not to be completed using certain vehicles. Which includes NO PRACTICAL driving test may be taken on a MOPED.

the Driver Licencing rule of 1999 defines a MOPED as a motor vehicle in its own right.

A motorcycle is defined and included in its definition "but does not include a MOPED.

It is all in black and white.

Please do not say because some one has done something it is right.

I work with NZTA constantly and if it is found people are doing test incorrectly for what ever reason they will make efforts to stop the problem and I have known them to go back over 2 or 3 years and make people who were given licences incorrectly to resit or be re tested.

There are diver tester enforcement staff who do nothing but sort these problems and while they give everyone a fair go, if non compliance is found it is corrected.

The instructor is usually censured, but can lose his instructors certificate
if the problem is bad enough.

Remember a couple of years back the guy at Westgate in Auckland, every licence tha guy ever issued was checked and everyone who sat a test with him was interviewed and hundreds of people had to be retested, and some had to do practical resits

They take this stuff really seriously.

If you know some one who is doing tests on a moped I suggest you advise them to stop.

Proposed thinking from NZTA at the moment although not formalised is that MOPED rating should be scrapped and all riders on two wheels have a M/C licence.

Will it come to pass - is anyones guess.