Great news - Maori only beaches in NZ

**Crasherfromwayback** · 18th January 2009, 13:01

Originally Posted by Fatjim

Actually. its rather plesant here in the hutt.

And Oriental Bay is only 15mins away. All welcome there!

**blossomsowner** · 18th January 2009, 13:14

there are already places up northland where it is unsafe to park a car to use the beach or boat ramps. I have seen the local people damage property of any outsiders and also be threatening towards them. Sure hope it doesn't go that way with the local tribes enforcing things themselves.

We spent time at Tolaga bay last year and it was fantastic.........friendly people and great place................would hate to see that sort of atmosphere ruined.

**laserracer** · 18th January 2009, 13:17

And they wonder why everyone is fucking off to aussie
BEACHES ARE FOR EVERYONE NOT JUST 1 RACE OF PEOPLE

**Big Dave** · 18th January 2009, 13:39

Originally Posted by SlashWylde

Remind me again how well the Moa resources were managed and by extention (or should I say extinction) the Haast eagle?

I have no idea.

My opinion is tempered by the way Australia did not learn enough about indigenous husbandry of the land before the culture was destroyed.
It's only in the last 30 years or so that we learned about 'Bush Tucker'.

For that reason I like the idea of areas of traditional natural resource management.

Kinda like a backup plan, because we know governments never get it wrong either hey.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 18th January 2009, 13:42

Originally Posted by Big Dave

For that reason I like the idea of areas of traditional natural resource management.

Kinda like a backup plan, because we know governments never get it wrong either hey.

Dunno 'bout that BD...as much as I hate to say it...it's normally Maori getting busted for raping the live stock at most of our beaches.

**firefighter** · 18th January 2009, 13:51

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Dunno 'bout that BD...as much as I hate to say it...it's normally Maori getting busted for raping the live stock at most of our beaches.

Yes, take heed of this all of you, my time in the Navy I tell you what, mostly maori (not all) but mostly were the ones pillaging, oh and the asians and islanders, just the way it is don't get pissy unless you have worked amoungst it and you have real experience to back yourself (no one-offs either)

Lets face it, a maori only beach is just as racist as a maori only rugby or league team......it's bullshit, how dare anyone say you can or cannot enjoy New Zealand's natural resources or certain areas because of your colour, or because of your race, let alone fine you for it- what a fucken joke.

Apartied/South Africa anyone? I've read Nelson Mandela's book, and this is exactly the same thing, blacks being fined for going to the wrong place without permission, how can ANY of you possibly, really, justify this disgusting shit, I hope the United Nations are watching this.

**Shadows** · 18th January 2009, 13:53

It seems to me that most of the idea is geared towards restricting commercial use. Having seen what commercialisation has done to some areas I don't have a serious problem with that.

And we all hate camper vans here, don't we.

The protection of sacred sites has its place too. So long as this is for specific sites and doesn't involve denying access to, or the use of, massive expanses of coastline. Common sense must prevail and all that.

I actually prefer the rahui approach to the conservation of fisheries whereby take is restricted only for long enough to allow the resource to recover, and I completely support them. I fish a lot and will always respect a rahui, but not so much the reserves locked up for ever in legislation that seem to be popping up all over the place thanks to the fucking greeny extremists.

As long as average Joe can still go to the beach and have a swim and catch a feed, all is good.

**Patrick** · 18th January 2009, 14:00

Originally Posted by firefighter

... mostly maori (not all) but mostly were the ones pillaging, ...

+1..............

Its huge in these parts. The Paua are always undersized. I have never seen a legal sized paua around here in the fisheries swoops I have assisted at.

"They just don't grow as big here in the Naki as in other parts of the country..." we are told (by the poachers and the fisheries fellas...).

What a load of bullshit.

The paua are taken at sizes of the recently old 50c piece... no chance of regeneration, let alone the joy of breeding...... the poor buggers....

**Trouser** · 18th January 2009, 14:06

Originally Posted by Shadows

It seems to me that most of the idea is geared towards restricting commercial use. Having seen what commercialisation has done to some areas I don't have a serious problem with that.

And we all hate camper vans here, don't we.

About time someone read the article.

It is about restricting commercial use.

**Trouser** · 18th January 2009, 14:08

Love the headline "Maori deal will 'close access to public beaches'" leaving out, for commercial uses.

**MSTRS:Me** · 18th January 2009, 14:27

Originally Posted by Trouser

About time someone read the article.

It is about restricting commercial use.

I have...and it says A new deal will enable Maori to ban other New Zealanders from some coastal areas and impose fines of up to $5000 if they don't obey. The Ngati Porou deal is the first under the contentious Foreshore and Seabed Act, and will allow some East Cape beaches to be closed to public access.
Just where does that mention 'commercial'?

And what's with this? Amohaere Houkamau, Te Runanga o Ngati Porou chief executive, confirmed hapu had identified a number of wahi tapu areas that would be recorded in the court papers, but would not reveal the locations.......................However, Houkamau added, in some situations it might not be appropriate for a camper van to park up at a wahi tapu site. "There are enough beautiful beaches on the coast which are not wahi tapu."

"If we don't tell them which ones, we can suit ourselves everytime a honky sets foot on any of the beaches" ? Come on, at least be open about which sites are special...

**Grizzo** · 18th January 2009, 14:52

How can you claim to own land in this manor, especially in such a young country.
Maori apparently where the first to come from other Islands and settled here, but does that give you the right to claim ownership?
That said, the same mentallity was adopted by the poms all around the globe.

I dont think anyone can claim to own land in this way purely because how do we know who has been there in the past and who will end up living there in the future.