Is this for real?

[98tls]

Mt Maunganui officially handed back to local Maori.Got to be a wind upsurely.They actually owned it at some stage?Must check and see if any of my relies owned some mountains in Germany.

[ajturbo]

thought that was handed back (?)years ago...???

[Steam]

They actually owned it at some stage?

Course they did. I don't know if you noticed, but they owned the whole country before Europeans came visiting. Just like we would have if we'd gotten here first or conquered them. But we didn't, we signed a binding treaty with them in return for letting us settle here. It was a good treaty for both sides, until the government started breaking it and ignoring it. Now it's payback time.

[Brett]

Great. So more NZ land can now go left unattended and end up covered in gorse. Happened to a shit load of other land around NZ where it was taken from a farmer or DOC who were managing the land, and it has gone backwards.

[PirateJafa]

Course they did. I don't know if you noticed, but they owned the whole country before Europeans came visiting. Just like we would have if we'd gotten here first or conquered them. But we didn't, we signed a binding treaty with them in return for letting us settle here. It was a good treaty for both sides, until the government started breaking it and ignoring it. Now it's payback time.

Well I want our fucking muskets, blankets and knowledge back then. They can have their traditional land and fishing grounds back, if they settle, farm and fish it in their traditional manner. Like with wakas, spears, hangis and fucking mud huts.

Blow them to be perfectly honest - we are one country now, not a "working class" and a "bludging class".

And before you jump out saying "you rascist Jafa you obviously don't know any Maori people", I have a number of Maori friends, pretty much all of whom are sick of the gravy train, who have never seen, or had any benefit from a cent of the millions in "settlement money" paid out over the years, and do not believe they will ever in the future either.

What a load of bollocks.

Where the hell is the party that will remove this mild form of segregation from our country?

You can bitch all you want about "but they need the help because their standards of living are lower" etcetera, but this is bollocks. If they truely need the help, then a proper system of government would help them regardless of their ethnicity. The system needs to be based more on need, and less on lineage.

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[mark247]

Well I want our fucking muskets, blankets and knowledge back then. They can have their traditional land and fishing grounds back, if they settle, farm and fish it in their traditional manner. Like with wakas, spears, hangis and fucking mud huts.

Blow them to be perfectly honest - we are one country now, not a "working class" and a "bludging class".

And before you jump out saying "you rascist Jafa you obviously don't know any Maori people", I have a number of Maori friends, pretty much all of whom are sick of the gravy train, who have never seen, or had any benefit from a cent of the millions in "settlement money" paid out over the years, and do not believe they will ever in the future either.

What a load of bollocks.

Where the hell is the party that will remove this mild form of segregation from our country?

You can bitch all you want about "but they need the help because their standards of living are lower" etcetera, but this is bollocks. If they truely need the help, then a proper system of government would help them regardless of their ethnicity. The system needs to be based more on need, and less on lineage.

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amen

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[Slyer]

Well I want our fucking muskets, blankets and knowledge back then. They can have their traditional land and fishing grounds back, if they settle, farm and fish it in their traditional manner. Like with wakas, spears, hangis and fucking mud huts.

Blow them to be perfectly honest - we are one country now, not a "working class" and a "bludging class".

And before you jump out saying "you rascist Jafa you obviously don't know any Maori people", I have a number of Maori friends, pretty much all of whom are sick of the gravy train, who have never seen, or had any benefit from a cent of the millions in "settlement money" paid out over the years, and do not believe they will ever in the future either.

What a load of bollocks.

Where the hell is the party that will remove this mild form of segregation from our country?

You can bitch all you want about "but they need the help because their standards of living are lower" etcetera, but this is bollocks. If they truely need the help, then a proper system of government would help them regardless of their ethnicity. The system needs to be based more on need, and less on lineage.
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Fucking truth.

[325rocket]

Where the hell is the party that will remove this mild form of segregation from our country?

that would have been Don Brash. Unfortunately they dumped him because he couldnt get into the go kart.

[98tls]

thought that was handed back (?)years ago...???

Came across it on teletext last night.

[Steam]

that would have been Don Brash. Unfortunately they dumped him because he couldnt get into the go kart.

Fucking truth.

amen
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Well I want our fucking muskets, blankets and knowledge back then...

Cool, well if you want home-grown terrorist groups and another hundred years of upset and controversy, that's the right attitude.

Good on ya kiwis! Stumbling heedlessly toward disaster, as ever.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Well I want our fucking muskets, blankets and knowledge back then. They can have their traditional land and fishing grounds back, if they settle, farm and fish it in their traditional manner. Like with wakas, spears, hangis and fucking mud huts.

Blow them to be perfectly honest - we are one country now, not a "working class" and a "bludging class".

And before you jump out saying "you rascist Jafa you obviously don't know any Maori people", I have a number of Maori friends, pretty much all of whom are sick of the gravy train, who have never seen, or had any benefit from a cent of the millions in "settlement money" paid out over the years, and do not believe they will ever in the future either.

What a load of bollocks.

Where the hell is the party that will remove this mild form of segregation from our country?

You can bitch all you want about "but they need the help because their standards of living are lower" etcetera, but this is bollocks. If they truely need the help, then a proper system of government would help them regardless of their ethnicity. The system needs to be based more on need, and less on lineage.

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Word.

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[PirateJafa]

Cool, well if you want home-grown terrorist groups and another hundred years of upset and controversy, that's the right attitude.

Good on ya kiwis! Stumbling heedlessly toward disaster, as ever.

Sorry what?

The separatist attitude that you had been displaying is what has been pushing NZ towards the sorry state it is in, Steam.

I fail to see how encouraging a unified country and people thereof could possibly encourage "home-grown terrorist groups and another hundred years of upset and controversy". The bludging section of the population will always complain when their free-loading ways are curtailed. Because they might suddenly have to, you know, "work".

So essentially you are saying that this "settlement money" that we have been paying is actually "protection money" to stop them going radical?

[Steam]

Sorry what?

The separatist attitude that you had been displaying is what has been pushing NZ towards the sorry state it is in, Steam.

I fail to see how encouraging a unified country and people thereof could possibly encourage "home-grown terrorist groups and another hundred years of upset and controversy".

So essentially you are saying that this "settlement money" that we have been paying is actually "protection money" to stop them going radical?

Ignoring the treaty is illegal. Plain and simple. So if you want your government and all European presence in this country to be founded on a lie, and at the expense of an entire race of people we made a treaty with, then that's fine.

It's not okay to say "hey, sign this bit of paper, then we'll all be friends"
"ok" says most of the Maori, "sounds good to us, better you than the French." and signs.
"HAHA, FOOLED YA!" says Europeans, and steals the land, usurps sovereignty.

That's what you are suggesting.
Despite the way we'd like things to be, this is the way things are.

The treaty is legally binding, between one race and another. We are not one nation, one race of people. You may like to think that, but it's wishful thinking.

[Patrick]

Course they did. I don't know if you noticed, but they owned the whole country before Europeans came visiting.

Weren't the Moriori here first???????? "Invaded" by Maori, who came 2nd, then white man comes along 3rd? And who pays whom??????

What have the Moriori got now? Ummmmm

Here we go - another race thread.....

[98tls]

Ignoring the treaty is illegal. Plain and simple. So if you want your government and all European presence in this country to be founded on a lie, and at the expense of an entire race of people we made a treaty with, then that's fine.

It's not okay to say "hey, sign this bit of paper, then we'll all be friends"
"ok" says most of the Maori, "sounds good to us, better you than the French." and signs.
"HAHA, FOOLED YA!" says Europeans, and steals the land, usurps sovereignty.

That's what you are suggesting.
Despite the way we'd like things to be, this is the way things are.

The treaty is legally binding, between one race and another. We are not one nation, one race of people. You may like to think that, but it's wishful thinking.

Yea but who benefits from all this land being given back and 1/2 billon $ payouts,i dont that i can understand but funnily enough i am yet to meet a single Maori bloke that has.Certainly none of the guys i work with has seen a cent of it nor any of the blokes ive ever talked to down the local boozer on a friday night has ever had a letter in the mail telling them congrats you are the proud part owner blah blah.Somebody must but who?