Need help with 'law' at work.

[McDuck]

I ended up saying 7-5 week days and no weekends.


try that?

[Blackshear]

Another thing to add, have you tryed starting at 6? Or have you just shoved it into the to hard basket? With work at the orchard i have been fine till 4.30-5 no matter when i start. And if you do the hours you get paid the hours, and extra cash is always good with gass and stuff.

Yeah I've done it before, and hated it.
At NW though. It wasn't rare for me to fill in an evening shift.
On top of 7-4, I'd soldier right on to 9-9.30.
But goddamn did I love the odd apple. What orchard are you working at?

[McDuck]

Yeah I've done it before, and hated it.
At NW though. It wasn't rare for me to fill in an evening shift.
On top of 7-4, I'd soldier right on to 9-9.30.
But goddamn did I love the odd apple. What orchard are you working at?

A no shit big kiwifruit orchard down here....

[FROSTY:Me]

Fuck off frosty so your saying he should let himself be bullied and pushed around by some idiot cos times are tough. You are the one that should have a think about it. workers rights do not go out the door just because we are in a recession.

When did i say he should do anything. --Im saying look at the other side of the story.
Dunno what you do for a living dude Maybee you have 100% job security. Me I know for a fact that if my team doesn't produce results WE will all be unemployed.My staff know this and react accordingly.
Its not a threat its economic reality.
Isn't it possible that all but one of this guys staff know this ?
Could also be a case of a fucken good metal worker not well suited to being a supervisor.
Heres a thought -OK you can't start early cos ya can't sleep --why not say "hey Im with the team thing I see the jobs need to get out -Why dont I work an hour LATER"
Don't get me wrong --the guy could very well be as ya say --a total asshole but just concider alternatives.
Someone said to me once "hey I don't want problems --I want posssible solutions"

[Dean]

the shop foreman is a cocksucker he likes to suck on his own cock and other guys cocks while youre doing the hard work earning the money for the buisness,hes doing the "hard work on deepthroats" bloody sick and stupid.you deserve to work the proper hours instead of the foreman telling you otherwise

[slowpoke]

I was given a contract to read and sign if I agree to it, by the big big head honcho of the franchise. I have not yet read it, nor has anyone brought to my attention the lack of signature.


Not a member of a union. I have already had a word to the shops boss about it, but nothing seems to have been done.

Sure your boss sounds like a real Mike Hunt but you have to take some responsibility for the predicament you are in. Mike Hunt has dropped you in the shit but you've made things difficult for yourself now that you are in it. How can you cry "FOUL!" to the ref if you don't know the rules of the game (contract) and there is no ref (union)?

Why didn't you sign the contract? You expect them to keep track of Christ knows how many contracts and you can't even look after one.

Why didn't you join the union? You are talking about potential earnings of $100's of thousands of dollars which you've left almost totally unprotected.

For what it's worth if I was the shop steward I wouldn't be too keen on helping you out, you've contributed nothing to the union now you expect them to help bail you out. You can't expect the all for 1 part without doing the 1 for all side of the equation.

Your foreman sounds like a right tugger, but you have left yourself wide open. Hopefully it's a valuable lesson that doesn't cost you too much: cover your arse. It's too late once you are already fucked.

[fatzx10r]

cant be fucked reading all the post's so not sure what has been said already.

1. check your contract

2. tell him to go fuck himself

3. TELL HIM TO GO FUCK HIMSELF

[SixPackBack]

FROSTY is correct blackshear it is you who has the problem, not your boss.
Your boss treats you badly with good reason-your attitude is SHIT. Oh and a word on the following:

• Employing a lawyer=He/she will be laughing all the way to the bank while stroking your forehead and taking all your money.
• Joining the EMU=Do it!......they work at the pace of the slowest worker and are the last bastion for those that posses few skills, are slow or generally bone idle. Remember tho' you will be #1 target when the work drops off and when pay increases are handed out.

In the words of JFK 'ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country'..........merely being gracious enough to turn up at work everyday is not enough!.......sort your sleeping out, get to work when the boss asks you to, spend some of your own time and money increasing your skill base, increase your speed and sort your attitude out.

[Ms Piggy]

Hey Blackshear,
I would suggest you contact Employment Relations: http://www.ers.dol.govt.nz/help/index.html & http://dolworkplace.custhelp.com/cgi...p_new_search=1

I'm pretty sure it's who my Mum got help from a few years back when he employer cut her hours without notice and my Mum ended up getting a payout.

It's very difficult when employees allow themselves to be bullied by their employer and don't speak out but just comply.

Btw - my understanding is, that even if you haven't signed your contract you are still covered by employment law, because at the end of the day the law has the final say.

[oldrider]

FROSTY is correct blackshear it is you who has the problem, not your boss.
Your boss treats you badly with good reason-your attitude is SHIT. Oh and a word on the following:

• Employing a lawyer=He/she will be laughing all the way to the bank while stroking your forehead and taking all your money.
• Joining the EMU=Do it!......they work at the pace of the slowest worker and are the last bastion for those that posses few skills, are slow or generally bone idle. Remember tho' you will be #1 target when the work drops off and when pay increases are handed out.

In the words of JFK 'ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country'..........merely being gracious enough to turn up at work everyday is not enough!.......sort your sleeping out, get to work when the boss asks you to, spend some of your own time and money increasing your skill base, increase your speed and sort your attitude out.

Took the words right out of my mouth SPB.

Employment is about a relationship between the company and yourself.

The law says you have a contract signed or not.

Despite the foreman (some sympathy with you regards his origins) I would say that you are an excellent reason for the new 90 day law.

You may even be an early victim of it, I suggest you take another read of Frosty's posts.

If I was a Union official, I wouldn't be too keen on taking you on as member either, they have enough problems without you!

Look in the mirror and ask the guy in there what your problem is, "he" knows because it is written all through his posts on here.

Good luck with your future, I think you are going to need all the help you can get. Cheers, John.

[Teflon]

Funfortunately, all the odds and ends jobs are given to me anyway. Bottom of the ladder, see. So basically I polish things to a mirror finish all day, or acid and then scotch brite the acid and weld marks off so it's all pretty like.
95% of the work done are handrails. Very expensive S/steel handrails.


My last boss was the man. Got along really well with him. Enough to let him have a rip on my bike. He might be getting a cibby soon, if he sells up his RS200 'tezza. My work had been done




I don't mean to shoot you down right off the line, but I can assure you that our branch of the company is doing very well. We already have about 1.8 million worth of jobs to complete by this year, and yes, we are a little busy.
Just the way this guy is being a cocksucker about his position.
And for the record, I am the only one starting at 7, everyone else started at 6. This was all Mr. Foremans idea, and the big boss had no part of it. Stressed that he didn't care I started at 7, in fact.
I am performing rather well, I'd thought. I little bit slower than the others in terms of turning out a finished product, but I've had many say it was an awesome finish. Unless being told to my face, I wont cut corners on quality just to speed things up. It's either a perfect mirror finish or not.
I do see your point, know that. I just cannot sacrifice an hours sleep. I get sweet FA as it is, waking up maybe 6 times each night, for no reason. I'd take sleeping pills, but I'm sure it would fuck up my ride to work.
I'll take your advice into consideration when I have a chat with the boss.

To each their own. You make it sound like you're telling me to move on

Polishing is a big part of being a Tradesman,, if you don't know how to polish you can't finish a job. Good polishing skills will make you a better fabricator and welder - it will teach you how important a nice fit-up and weld is..

Engineering may not be for you. Wait to you get asked to to work 60 to 70hr weeks to meet a contract deadline.. It's a fucking hard industry,, i'd say get out now

Remember, it's not a hair dressing salon.. it's a eng work shop,, and you will get talk to like shit for a few years.. It will change you

[Yossarian]

Your boss is obviously a bully...

Can't give you much advice other than stick with what your doing, there is nothing better than having a formal trade under your belt which you can take anywhere in the world. Do your time and once you have your ticket leave the crowd your working for as you will always be ' the boy '.
There is nothing sweeter than picking up your last pay packet after serving a four year apprenticship and telling your boss to " take my job, and stick it up your arse".

See your time through matey, you won't regret it.

[davereid]

Fuck off frosty so your saying he should let himself be bullied and pushed around by some idiot cos times are tough. You are the one that should have a think about it. workers rights do not go out the door just because we are in a recession.

Sadly, while your employer may agree with you, it it may well be that his customers have a different view.

A good employer will never abuse or treat his staff in this way. But although to the best of your knowledge the company has millions of dollars of forward orders, there may be immense stress in the boardroom.

Those handrails you make may be destined for the booming building industry, to be paid for by plentiful bank credit.

Then again, your employer may be wondering "will I ever get paid for these ?" - "Will there be another order if I do ?"

There is no excuse for treating you poorly, and you should consult your union.

You can legally say "I have rights, I won't work overtime, clean the toilets or help with anything I am not obligated to do"

But, your employer has NO RIGHTS with his customer. He needs to keep them happy, provide a quality product, on-time at a price the customer can afford.

Your assistance in helping him meet these goals helps him keep employing you.

[Pixie]

You won't get me I'm part of the union
You won't get me I'm part of the union
You won't get me I'm part of the union
Till the day I die...





...Watta ya mean FIRED?!!!!