Police admit shooting innocent 17-year-old

[HenryDorsetCase]

It's the same "newspaper" that encourages you to Text "babe" to 6000. Draw your own conclusions as to the profile of its target audience and the gravitas of its editorial opinion.

it fails both editorially as a newspaper, and as a device to titillate the masses. One clicks on Page 3 and gets a "non-zoomable" gallery. Unacceptable.

One requires nipples with those chups. mmmmm nupples.

[ManDownUnder]

As good as solids?

Wasn't there... keen to find out first hand though. 00's vs the 270WSM. Might be time to play the bang dead game down South...

[Hoon]

Ive thought (and said) for a long time that any given squad of AOS guys need at least one guy with a Remington combat shotgun.

Yep I agree with that. The NZArmy have just started using them too. They also take bean bag and buck shot rounds too.

Probably the best outcome that can come out of all this is that the Police are undertrained so need more training and funding. Although I am not totally convinced (even the best shot who trains 365 days a year can miss on a bad day), it will improve things but extra training will only lessen the risk, it doesn't remove it completely.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Every home should have one

[Winston001]

Every home should have one

Oooorrrrrrrr yus! Like the M4 option with the "accessory weapon".

[Skyryder]

What absolute fuckin crap. The only blame here is with the asshole who started this whole situation and was firing shots at random in public including shooting another driver whos vehicle he was trying to hijack. Then he could have easily gone on to shoot you or one of your family. What happened to the young lad was tragic but was due to circumstances that were out of control. Your comment is not only ignorant but is racist as well and has been made before the facts of any enquiry have even been released.

The problem with this view is that if you take it to it’s logical conclusion you believe that the police are ‘never’ at fault due to the fact that their actions are always due to responses of offenders.

An example of this was the cop doing the U-turn that took out a couple of bikers. According to your opinion it was the fault of the speedster that the cop was given chase too.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

Jesus H. Christ. I would quite like to kick whoever wrote that shit in the mouth.

I agree, what a crock of shit, absolute shit.

And somewhere a little girl believes it.....

[spudchucka]

My point is that unless they are AOS memebers they shouldn't have firearms, or be allowed to use them.

Why not?

You'd rather allow a crazed offender to run around firing randomly while the AOS squad are paged, drive into the station, gear up, get briefed on the situation and arrive at the safe forward point that has been established by your preferred unarmed general duties branch, all before a weapon can even be aimed at the offender?

The reality is that that AOS squads are not sitting around polishing their weapons waiting for an incident like this to happen. They are not permanent, full time squads. They are made up of regular cops that do AOS duties on top of their regular duties.

A general duties cop is far more likely to find themselves in a situation where they are required to shoot an offender than any AOS squad member and therefore they should always have access to weapons.

[SARGE]

why not?

You'd rather allow a crazed offender to run around firing randomly while the aos squad are paged, drive into the station, gear up, get briefed on the situation and arrive at the safe forward point that has been established by your preferred unarmed general duties branch, all before a weapon can even be aimed at the offender?

The reality is that that aos squads are not sitting around polishing their weapons waiting for an incident like this to happen. They are not permanent, full time squads. They are made up of regular cops that do aos duties on top of their regular duties.

A general duties cop is far more likely to find themselves in a situation where they are required to shoot an offender than any aos squad member and therefore they should always have access to weapons.

agree..i think all you guys should carry and be trained like the u.s. Cops..every cop car in the states has a shotgun mounted in the front seat

[spudchucka]

Police don't actually have a lot of special powers. They have special authority to be armed. They also have the special liability of public expectation that they will deal with armed offenders.

There is no way this cop was "taking it out on a criminal". Its far more likely he was doing his job, to the best of his ability while being shot at by a madman.

Cops gain the authority to shoot under the same laws as a private citizen. That is to say they can only use reasonable force in the defence of themselves or others.

That means they have a special liablity as we expect them to shoot to protect us... but we will not offer them any special protection from mistakes.

I am glad I am not a policeman, expected to carry, and use a firearm in full knowledge that a mistake in a high pressure situation with someone shooting at me, would be treated by the law exactly the same as shooting a hunting buddy, or any other accidental shooting.

Section 48 is not the only section of the Crimes Act that justifies police use of deadly force.

[spudchucka]

That was another police related firearm fuck up. Did he not steal a firearm from a police car? Imagine if it hadn't been there to start with.

He was in the process of stealing the weapons when the cops shot him. He was already armed with a firearm and had used it to kill the Karl Kukenbecker(SP) guy, if the two cops had sat on their hands and done nothing, what further harm would Burton have inflicted?

[spudchucka]

I thought the AoS used dum dum bullets specifically to prevent such a thing?

Hollow points can stop in centre mass but if the round hit an arm or a leg it wouldn't stop.

[spudchucka]

Last words from me... I hate police chases

Its much better to just let all offenders go free I guess.

[Warr]

Its much better to just let all offenders go free I guess.

Definately not.
Grenade launcher on the Police Helecoptor would have done the trick.
Goodbye car, goodbye offender end of story

[Patrick]

The police actions, were the right thing to do in the circumstances and were forced on them by the actions of the looney with the gun!

However, if a member of Joe Public pulled the trigger, a court case would ensue, even if he was ultimately found not guilty. In the Police's case, the same should happen - they are not above the law and the case should be treated as such - even if it is just as a public hearing. Someone not involved, has been killed. This is the right and proper thing to do.

And no - I don't think police should be armed as a matter of course.

Point 1 - agreed.
Point 2 - although not above the law, there are (and most definitely should be) certain protections from the law....

This cop was doing his best, UNDER THE TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES.... (you all figure that part out...)