Police admit shooting innocent 17-year-old

**firefighter** · 24th January 2009, 18:19

Originally Posted by JMemonic

the ones who needs to be looked at are the offender and whoever lets police carry firearms with the limited support and training. Any officer using a firearm should be firing from that firearm at least 50 rounds per week, in the case of a pistol and 100 + in the case of a long gun.

Fire as many rounds as you want a week, the gun's they have in the cars are treated with such rediculous care that when ever they pick them they're intimidated to shit about it, if they carried them on their hip, they would be more accustomed to holding them in their hands and less intimidated by the whole idea, as it's just another tool.

For eg. you can train to be a firefighter forever, but you gotta do the job to get used to doing the job without un-controlled (sort of) adrenaline flowing through you and you need to have some experience to get used to situations, and react in the right way, rather than heart pumping/ pull of head put on cabbage.

Same as with the gun, if it's on your hip all the time and a part of protocol then it will just be another tool to use.....

When I did a ride along with the LVMPD they had it out all the time, but they knew the gun/s, and handled it without having to fuck around, because they were used to it, it was always there, and it was just like holding an asp or handcuffs to them.

Originally Posted by Weaver

Hopefully this will be a wake-up call for the Police and they'll either implement proper training or only allow armed defenders members to use firearms. Remember what happened in Porirua? Once again we see the polices lack of marksman skills but with far more serious results.

well I guess you've had professional training with firearms, I was in the Navy for 4 1/2 years and in the AirForce for 3, and served in the middle east in Afghanistan, and I had plenty of training, especially before Afghan, but still would'nt be used to carrying around a pistol in N.Z and firing it during of after a high speed chase- you seem to know what your on about though- you should get onto the Police and let them know of their shortcomings and tell them how they should be doing things......

Maybe you could suggest the AOS go to the mid-east and get some trigger time so they have real time experience? Just an idea but i'll leave it to you- the expert.......

**Kirill357** · 24th January 2009, 18:24

Pfft, dont feel sorry at all, "shooting randomly from the sawn-off shotgun", after that no fucken sorry for them; you choose to steal, face the consequences, police did a good job, that what they should do all the time, shoot the criminals, no fucken regret for the bastards breaking the law with guns.

**slimjim** · 24th January 2009, 18:26

mistake ...yea fucking right...fucking asshole who was looking though the scope of his rifle knew where the fuck he was going to put the killing bullet..fucking can't miss with their scope at that range..... that cop shot just what his scope showed him.. that cop is a killer of a young father...plain and simple..mistakes are made in the bush..yup...but daylight..stopped vehicle..young brown boy..bang..aren't no more...simple

**Headbanger** · 24th January 2009, 18:26

Originally Posted by Kirill357

Pfft, dont feel sorry at all, "shooting randomly from the sawn-off shotgun", after that no fucken sorry for them; you choose to steal, face the consequences, police did a good job, that what they should do all the time, shoot the criminals, no fucken regret for the bastards breaking the law with guns.

You posses legendary observational skills.

**Usarka** · 24th January 2009, 18:33

Originally Posted by slimjim

mistakes are made in the bush..yup...but daylight..stopped vehicle..young brown boy..bang..aren't no more...simple

I don't pretend to know the full story and feel real bad for the kid and his family, but I'd say the cop would have been under a bit more pressure than someone stalking a deer........

**Winston001** · 24th January 2009, 18:44

Before this thread goes off on the normal KB bollocking, can someone just explain the facts? I thought the armed car driver was alone, crashed, tried to steal another car, the innocent driver of that car got shot, and the bad guy tried to then take a third car.....

Read the Stuff link but it tells me less than TV1 last night.

**Usarka** · 24th January 2009, 18:49

Originally Posted by Winston001

Before this thread goes off on the normal KB bollocking, can someone just explain the facts?

You want facts?

**Headbanger** · 24th January 2009, 18:56

Our mighty opinions decimate all facts that may get in the way.

**BBzz** · 24th January 2009, 19:50

Originally Posted by Kirill357

Pfft, dont feel sorry at all, "shooting randomly from the sawn-off shotgun",

It was a "sawn-off 22" not a Shotgun from the Stuff report anyway

**JMemonic** · 24th January 2009, 20:49

Originally Posted by firefighter

Fire as many rounds as you want a week, the gun's they have in the cars are treated with such rediculous care that when ever they pick them they're intimidated to shit about it, if they carried them on their hip, they would be more accustomed to holding them in their hands and less intimidated by the whole idea, as it's just another tool.

For eg. you can train to be a firefighter forever, but you gotta do the job to get used to doing the job without un-controlled (sort of) adrenaline flowing through you and you need to have some experience to get used to situations, and react in the right way, rather than heart pumping/ pull of head put on cabbage.

Same as with the gun, if it's on your hip all the time and a part of protocol then it will just be another tool to use.....

What I was trying to get at is they must be regular users, as in the fire service you train and train, thus once adrenaline gets going your know how to preform the tasks, the thing about firearms is outside of the military they are viewed as evil, to be honest the airport police are possible the most confident members of our police with firearms because as you say they do actually carry them all the time.

I will stand by my firm belief that our armed police need to fire more rounds, training and familiarity is important, aiming, how to fire, clear a jam etc is best when trained, which why military force train with live rounds, as does close protection detail, any armed force needs that muscle memory for when the brain is running at 1000 miles per hour on adrenaline.

Nothing will better practice, sure they cant be perfect all the time but practice will make accidents less likely.

At the end of the day I think you and I are on the same page here coming from different angles.

I feel badly for both the officers involved and the family of the deceased, but that will not alter or improve the situation, assholes that stand up and say our police should not have tazers etc and don't approve of having a force suitably trained and armed to respond to current situations are living in a dream, criminals will not put down their weapons just because the police do, hell the whole system is reactionary, police got armed because criminals were armed, cops had to die before they got armour as it upset a few soft bastards to see police protected.

**Dean** · 24th January 2009, 20:55

that is wrong in all things i guess all the local teenaer "hoodlums" give the officers many hard times

**firefighter** · 24th January 2009, 21:09

Originally Posted by JMemonic

At the end of the day I think you and I are on the same page here coming from different angles.

true true

Originally Posted by JMemonic

....assholes that stand up and say our police should not have tazers etc and don't approve of having a force suitably trained and armed to respond to current situations are living in a dream, criminals will not put down their weapons just because the police do

Yes and I have mentioned this before also, it's a shame we have retards like sue bradford and that kedgely women in parliament, we need someone with balls to make the call and arm our cops, your right, they need to be armed to at least the same level if anything higher than those they are trying to deal with......us kiwis can't bury our heads in the sand forever! Then when they do ever need to use them they are familiar with them, and getting it out of it's holster is'nt a big deal.

Yes they probably should spend some more time at the range too.

**Katman** · 24th January 2009, 21:13

Originally Posted by Kirill357

Pfft, dont feel sorry at all, "shooting randomly from the sawn-off shotgun", after that no fucken sorry for them; you choose to steal, face the consequences, police did a good job, that what they should do all the time, shoot the criminals, no fucken regret for the bastards breaking the law with guns.

If the incident in question wasn't so regretable, your post would be hilarious.

Fuckin twat.

**SARGE** · 24th January 2009, 21:18

Originally Posted by firefighter

well i guess you've had professional training with firearms, i was in the navy for 4 1/2 years and in the airforce for 3, and served in the middle east in afghanistan, and i had plenty of training, especially before afghan, but still would'nt be used to carrying around a pistol in n.z and firing it during of after a high speed chase- you seem to know what your on about though- you should get onto the police and let them know of their shortcomings and tell them how they should be doing things......

maybe you could suggest the aos go to the mid-east and get some trigger time so they have real time experience? Just an idea but i'll leave it to you- the expert.......

"you must spread some reputation around yadda yadda..."

boy i feel safe with all the accumulated combat knowledge in this forum .. so many people know what its like to have rounds wizzing past your head and having to drop sights on a human being who is randomly firing a weapon...

piece of piss innit?..

thanks for your service Firefighter.. respect