Police admit shooting innocent 17-year-old

[jrandom]

Hollow points can stop in centre mass but if the round hit an arm or a leg it wouldn't stop.

What rounds are the Bushmasters loaded with? I'm guessing some form of SS109 type standard military ball ammo? (As opposed to expanding hunting type rounds.)

[Robbo]

The problem with this view is that if you take it to it’s logical conclusion you believe that the police are ‘never’ at fault due to the fact that their actions are always due to responses of offenders.

An example of this was the cop doing the U-turn that took out a couple of bikers. According to your opinion it was the fault of the speedster that the cop was given chase too.

Skyryder

Well if it was'nt for the actions of the offenders in the first place there would never be an event or situation occuring would there. Therefore the police are placed in an impossible situation where they are damned if they do and they are damned if they dont do.
I think that a little more support from the public in their favour instead of for the scumbags would be in order when these events occur.
As for the cop doing the U turn, that is an entirely different situation where one person made an obvious error of judgment that probably could have been avoided so your assumption of my opinion in this case is completely wrong.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Why not?

You'd rather allow a crazed offender to run around firing randomly while the AOS squad are paged, drive into the station, gear up, get briefed on the situation and arrive at the safe forward point that has been established by your preferred unarmed general duties branch, all before a weapon can even be aimed at the offender?

The reality is that that AOS squads are not sitting around polishing their weapons waiting for an incident like this to happen. They are not permanent, full time squads. They are made up of regular cops that do AOS duties on top of their regular duties.

A general duties cop is far more likely to find themselves in a situation where they are required to shoot an offender than any AOS squad member and therefore they should always have access to weapons.

I agree with you absolutely. I think GD cops should be armed with a Glock, and with shotguns and what not in their cars.

And "stab proof": fuck that, how about bullet proof.

Though even the stab proof must be hot as a motherfucker to wear.

[Headbanger]

If they were armed they wouldn't need stab proof vests, They could just shoot the fucker holding the knife.

[skidMark]

I cannot agree more...this guy from what I read was a bag snatcher so it was obvious the vehicle was either stolen or hijacked plus if the poor kid was not driving the vehicle how come he got shot if he was sitting in the passenger or other seat...hum

He was in the van.... got caught in the crossfire because the offender was trying to hijack the truck ....

he just ended up inbetween.

mate of mine was 2 cars ahead...

Just unlucky timing for the fella killed i guess.

[Sollyboy]

If they were armed they wouldn't need stab proof vests, They could just shoot the fucker holding the knife.

and thats how it should be , threaten the police and you should pay the price , the police like a barrier to protect us and i prefer see them well armed as it also acts as a good deterent too,maybe NZ should have a target of 50% frontline armed

[Genestho]

So I'm the only one who realises that this "Innocent" has a 16 year old "fiancee" and a two year old child with her.
Innocent my arse! You do the maths.
Not that I am implying that he deserved to die - but the crapola that comes out after - him being called a "role model" and a great guy yada yada.


Hmmmm me jaded much?

Innocent my arse? ay?
Blue blazes man, are you for real?
Im not upto date on it all, but what the hell does that have to with the kid bein shot dead, to be taken from his kids and "fiancee" or family?
Tell me that his tiny past really matters, or makes a difference to the facts?
Does that help the copper who was trying to protect OUR community feel any better?

I must've missed something......

[Patrick]

So I'm the only one who realises that this "Innocent" has a 16 year old "fiancee" and a two year old child with her.
Innocent my arse! You do the maths.
Not that I am implying that he deserved to die - but the crapola that comes out after - him being called a "role model" and a great guy yada yada.


Hmmmm me jaded much?

Innocent my arse? ay?
Blue blazes man, are you for real?
Im not upto date on it all, but what the hell does that have to with the kid bein shot dead, to be taken from his kids and "fiancee" or family?
Tell me that his tiny past really matters, or makes a difference to the facts?
Does that help the copper who was trying to protect OUR community feel any better?

I must've missed something......

Must be reading the "Truth" or something like it...

How he can't see that he was an innocent is a bit beyond me too Guzzi...

He was a passer by, in his work vehicle. Nothing to do with the chase, the shit head, nothing. Just drove along the motorway making his deliveries and bang - dead.

Perhaps it was a piss take? A bad one, but one all the same?

[spudchucka]

What rounds are the Bushmasters loaded with? I'm guessing some form of SS109 type standard military ball ammo? (As opposed to expanding hunting type rounds.)

Hollow point, never paid any attention to the numbers on the box.

[jrandom]

Hollow point, never paid any attention to the numbers on the box.

Good thing the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to cops, eh?

[scumdog]

Good thing the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to cops, eh?

More chance of stopping the bad guy with one bullet and less chance of penetration after hitting said bad guy.

[Skyryder]

Well if it was'nt for the actions of the offenders in the first place there would never be an event or situation occuring would there. Therefore the police are placed in an impossible situation where they are damned if they do and they are damned if they dont do.
I think that a little more support from the public in their favour instead of for the scumbags would be in order when these events occur.
As for the cop doing the U turn, that is an entirely different situation where one person made an obvious error of judgment that probably could have been avoided so your assumption of my opinion in this case is completely wrong.

You claim that the cop doing the U-turn was an error of judgment and that this is different from shooting an innocent person. Both are errors of judgment. One judged the road safe to perform a U-turn, the other judged the innocent person to be the perpetrator. There is no difference other than the event.

Your suggestion the police being dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t suggests to me that you believe that the police should be able to perform their duties in any manner they see fit with no consequences should the public be injured or killed in the performance of their duties. If this is indeed you opinion then you need to seriously rethink the role of the police in today’s society.


Skyryder

[ManDownUnder]

Your suggestion the police being dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t suggests to me that you believe that the police should be able to perform their duties in any manner they see fit with no consequences should the public be injured or killed in the performance of their duties. If this is indeed you opinion then you need to seriously rethink the role of the police in today’s society.

Skyryder

I see it as damned if they shoot and damned if they don't too. No problems with the police being held accountable for their actions... but keep in mind their actions were essential, taken under urgency in a remarkably dynamic situation where there's no time to form a consensuis on the best outcome.

Damned if they shoot... and damned if they don't.

[Robbo]

You claim that the cop doing the U-turn was an error of judgment and that this is different from shooting an innocent person. Both are errors of judgment. One judged the road safe to perform a U-turn, the other judged the innocent person to be the perpetrator. There is no difference other than the event.

Your suggestion the police being dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t suggests to me that you believe that the police should be able to perform their duties in any manner they see fit with no consequences should the public be injured or killed in the performance of their duties. If this is indeed you opinion then you need to seriously rethink the role of the police in today’s society.


Skyryder

You assume too much Skyryder and so incorrectly. You are making outragous suggestions based on your obvious contempt for our police and the almost impossible job they have in trying to control law and order in this country. As i said earlier, if it were'nt for the criminal element that we now have there would not be an event or situation in the first place. You seem to be quite happy to sit on the sideline and criticise without offering any helpful suggestions or solutions on how things could be better out there.
Do you have a personal axe to grind or are you just a negative person? I would hope not.
Cheers

[Skyryder]

You assume too much Skyryder and so incorrectly. You are making outragous suggestions based on your obvious contempt for our police and the almost impossible job they have in trying to control law and order in this country. As i said earlier, if it were'nt for the criminal element that we now have there would not be an event or situation in the first place. You seem to be quite happy to sit on the sideline and criticise without offering any helpful suggestions or solutions on how things could be better out there.
Do you have a personal axe to grind or are you just a negative person? I would hope not.
Cheers

So how does your personal criticism of me validate your arguement.

Skyryder