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    Don't look, Hitcher, you'll be horrified!

    This story was in the Dominion Post yesterday and I found this online at msnbc:

    LONDON - On the streets of Birmingham, the queen's English is now the queens English.

    England's second-largest city has decided to drop apostrophes from all its street signs, saying they're confusing and old-fashioned.

    But some purists are downright possessive about the punctuation mark.

    It seems that Birmingham officials have been taking a hammer to grammar for years, quietly dropping apostrophes from street signs since the 1950s. Through the decades, residents have frequently launched spirited campaigns to restore the missing punctuation to signs denoting such places as "St. Pauls Square" or "Acocks Green."

    This week, the council made it official, saying it was banning the punctuation mark from signs in a bid to end the dispute once and for all.

    Councilor Martin Mullaney, who heads the city's transport scrutiny committee, said he decided to act after yet another interminable debate into whether "Kings Heath," a Birmingham suburb, should be rewritten with an apostrophe.

    "I had to make a final decision on this," he said Friday. "We keep debating apostrophes in meetings and we have other things to do."

    'They confuse people'
    Mullaney hopes to stop public campaigns to restore the apostrophe that would tell passers-by that "Kings Heath" was once owned by the monarchy.

    "Apostrophes denote possessions that are no longer accurate, and are not needed," he said. "More importantly, they confuse people. If I want to go to a restaurant, I don't want to have an A-level (high school diploma) in English to find it."

    But grammarians say apostrophes enrich the English language.

    "They are such sweet-looking things that play a crucial role in the English language," said Marie Clair of the Plain English Society, which campaigns for the use of simple English. "It's always worth taking the effort to understand them, instead of ignoring them."

    Mullaney claimed apostrophes confuse GPS units, including those used by emergency services. But Jenny Hodge, a spokeswoman for satellite navigation equipment manufacturer TomTom, said most users of their systems navigate through Britain's sometime confusing streets by entering a postal code rather than a street address.

    She said that if someone preferred to use a street name — with or without an apostrophe — punctuation wouldn't be an issue. By the time the first few letters of the street were entered, a list of matching choices would pop up and the user would choose the destination.

    Grammarians revolt
    A test by The Associated Press backed this up. In a search for London street St. Mary's Road, the name popped up before the apostrophe had to be entered.

    There is no national body responsible for regulating place names in Britain. Its main mapping agency, Ordnance Survey, which provides data for emergency services, takes its information from local governments and each one is free to decide how it uses punctuation.

    "If councils decide to add or drop an apostrophe to a place name, we just update our data," said Ordnance Survey spokesman Paul Beauchamp. "We've never heard of any confusion arising from their existence."

    To sticklers, a missing or misplaced apostrophe can be a major offence. [I had to correct this - they had offense!]

    British grammarians have railed for decades against storekeepers' signs advertising the sale of "apple's and pear's," or pubs offering "chip's and pea's."

    In her best-selling book "Eats, Shoots and Leaves," Lynne Truss recorded her fury at the title of the Hugh Grant-Sandra Bullock comedy "Two Weeks Notice," insisting it should be "Two Weeks' Notice."

    "Those spineless types who talk about abolishing the apostrophe are missing the point, and the pun is very much intended," she wrote.
    Yes, I am pedantic about spelling and grammar so get used to it!

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    I see it all too often here, Barrys Point Road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beemer View Post
    "Acocks Green."
    So this should be "Acock's Green"??

    Ye Gods.

    Better than "Mcock's Green", I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    So this should be "Acock's Green"??

    Ye Gods.

    Better than "Mcock's Green", I suppose.
    If yours is, then I'd get it seen to, pronto!
    Yes, I am pedantic about spelling and grammar so get used to it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magua View Post
    I see it all too often here, Barrys Point Road.
    Did this used to be Barry's Point? (I don't know the history of it).

    I love the way that idiots get confused, so they change the language. It's part of the Dumbing Down (tm) of the population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beemer View Post
    If yours is, then I'd get it seen to, pronto!
    Got some cream from the doctor - it cleared right up.

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    It's the beginning of the end.

    Or

    Its the beginning of the end. -As the case may be.
    It is preferential to refrain from the utilisation of grandiose verbiage in the circumstance that your intellectualisation can be expressed using comparatively simplistic lexicological entities. (...such as the word fuck.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikkel View Post
    It's the beginning of the end.

    Or

    Its the beginning of the end. -As the case may be.
    We know you are only joking - you have apostrophes in your signature - AND they're in the right place!
    Yes, I am pedantic about spelling and grammar so get used to it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    So this should be "Acock's Green"??
    It could be Adcocks' Green...but how do we know without the apostrophe?

    Honestly though, this is Birmingham we're talking about. Why should we expect people who talk like that to have any respect for the written form of the language?
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    They're bound to regret their decision over there. If you're ignoring your punctuation it's going to lead to confusion by its omission.

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    Hawke's Bay troubles more than its locals.
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    Well the apostrophe is not needed in common speech. After all we speak Queens exactly the same as Queen's. But then we all know there is only one Queen unless you are talking to a cat lover.

    English is an evolving language is neither written or spoken as it was a hundred years ago. I still use it and always will.................but at the end of the day it is it realy necessary, the apostrophe that is. My bad syntax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyryder View Post
    Well the apostrophe is not needed in common speech. After all we speak Queens exactly the same as Queen's. But then we all know there is only one Queen unless you are talking to a cat lover.
    Sigh. The same argument can be extended to capital letters. Which is just fine until you want to help your uncle jack off a horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    Sigh. The same argument can be extended to capital letters. Which is just fine until you want to help your uncle jack off a horse.
    Good example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    ...you want to help your uncle jack off a horse.
    Getting back to something resembling the original subject, has anyone seen an apostrophe on a New Zealand street sign recently?

    I know for a fact that Morgans Rd in Blenheim lacks one, and I rather suspect that the road was once Mr Morgan's. Not to mention Dillons Point Rd.

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