Boi racers in Christchurch cont'd

[GaZBur]

My favourite quote from Star Wars Episode III:
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."

Don't worry, NZ seems to have an equal balance of Civil Libertarians, Right Wing hardliners and Anarchists with the huge majority of the population in the middle.(me inclided)
There is no such thing as true liberty, where on earth would anyone get that crazy idea from, certainly least of all from the self-proclaimed "land of the free". Just so long as we don't go down thier road - homeland security, NSA, four differnt versions of Police etc we should be OK.

[batboy]

I have a lot to say on this topic, as it really gets my blood going i tell ya, so i will try keep it short(ish)

I am a "boy" racer as so labled by society and my peers, i am 27, i am furthering my education as we speak, i have never robbed/raped/killed or committed any crime except in a car, i own a highly modified turbo honda, 400hp that is road legal and that (when its going) i race trackdays at ruapuna, this car has cost me so much in time and money its unbelievable.This car has had no corners cut in the afety area, it handles like a track car stops on a dime and is safer than most cars out there. i also own a ducati monster as a commuter.

Now i have been pulled over by police on countless occasions and harrassed for no reason, and other times for doing various "illegal" activities such as accellerating (omfg how dare i),and i tell you what, im suprised that there has not been more incidents of police getting the bash, or riots by "boyracers" yet.
The police goad them into hitting back, by fining them for anything they can, i mean ffs i have been given fines for the stupidist shit you would not believe, such as having my foglights(yellow ones) on with my headlights at night (yes there is a law about it but come on, it was foggy, but no foggy enough to pc plod), did anyone ever stop to think why these kids have stupid amounts of fines? its cause the police think fines will fix the problem.

The police in christchuch are no longer worried about anyother crime at the moment except boyracers, case in point all the bashings/stabbings going on here at the mo, i saw this first hand whilst out in my car, after filling up from the mobil on bealy ave, waiting to head back on the road i was surrounded by a group of around ten skyine lovers who were very keen to bottle/smash in me and my car, now its just me and the missus in the car so numbers not in my favour so i shoot the gap into traffic to get away, yes my tires broke traction, no it was not excessive (400hp fwd at full noise in first gets nowhere fast) oh and look flashing lights behind, so i pull over hoping that the skyline lovers may get a talking to, but no even after they threw bottles in mine and the cops direction, i drive away with $800 worth of fines, and the skyline bunch continue their antics for hours, funny thing is i told the cop what happend and why i did what i did and he did not care, two weeks later someone got stabbed and killed at that petrol station and i saw the place cordend off with one of the skylines there from my encounter.

The laws the goverment keeps implementing are such a joke, i know bikers fall prey to some (exhaust noise limit) but spare a thought for us who dont have excessivley noisey exhausts but drive the cars associated with them, we get fined and stickered for it all them time, as its up to the officers discretion, doesn't matter if you have followed the rules and gotten the exhaust certified (for $250) they still sticker your car and make you go throght the time consuming and not free process to get it removed.
Oh and dont ever take off to fast in the wet and spin your wheels on white paint on the road by mistake, this carries a fine and possible impounding of you car.
I know this is turning into a massive personal rant, the fault does not lie entirely with the youth car culture, the police/goverment and family have a major stake in how bad it has become.
Time/money and effort MUST be spent on fixing the source of the problem not chasing them around with knee jerk reactions (ban them from here, ban them from there). This problem stems from a community level, family must be accountable as well and police/goverment dont help with name calling and harrassment

just on a little side note, i have found myself a new little hobby, what i do is i find one of those "YOUR SPEED IS" poles that are scattered around chch and i sit and what for about ten min to see who speeds, and i tell you what soccer moms are shocking, with their kids in the car. But when she hits a young teen in his car who is minding his own business and kills/injures her kids, bet the term boyracer gets montioned in the papers

bah/rant over

[Indiana_Jones]

We could all wank off into their fuel tanks?

-Indy

[awayatc]

well Batboy.....the skyline lovers you talked about are the kind of boyracers that most people love to hate....
My son's friend's car (nicely done up young mans vehicle)..got completely smashed by maybe the same idiots in same area.For no real reason

Boy racers that need dealing to/with are those that bother other people on purpose.....
Unfortunately it is hard to tell them apart from those that just drive souped and or blinged up vehicles.

Oh and yes the police lack definitely somethin to deal with the 2 % scum we all like them to deal with....

Balls?

[Marmoot]

I have a lot to say on this topic, as it really gets my blood going i tell ya, so i will try keep it short(ish)...

The Anals of Stereotyping Your Mom

[firefighter]

I have a lot to say on this topic, as it really gets my blood going i tell ya, so i will try keep it short(ish)

im suprised that there has not been more incidents of police getting the bash, or riots by "boyracers" yet.
The police goad them into hitting back, by fining them for anything they can,

Do a ride along, I promise you, you will want to beat the shit out of the boy-racers you meet, with the smart ass shit they dish out then expect some respect and some sort of a break when it comes to fines (which by the way are generally for dangerous/un-certified modifications right?) - you sound like the pacific island community crying about cops trialling tasers out south- as they have bad hearts.......

The police in christchuch are no longer worried about anyother crime at the moment except boyracers

Maybe they have a personal vandetta against you? perhaps in their meetings your picture is on the wall and they talk about ways to fine you?

I hope you have a smarter brain in your head than this?

Also think about what you wrote there....."no longer worried about crime "except boy racers"- so they do commit crimes? So you have an issue with police targetting crime by a known group of people publicly breaking the law and annoying the shit out of EVERYONE else?
By the way, without the boy racers they would have the resources to fully commit to other crimes.....
Maybe it's the boy racers in-directly responsible for other crimes being able to take place? (semi piss take but think about it)

just on a little side note, i have found myself a new little hobby, what i do is i find one of those "YOUR SPEED IS" poles that are scattered around chch and i sit and what for about ten min to see who speeds

wow, how exciting.....

FYI- most of the MVCs I attend involving a boyracer.....guess who caused the whole bloody, screaming painfilled, mess with lives lost and parents/ families hearts broken....? Lives ruined, trauma for family, friends, all the rest, stop thinking that boy racers are so bloody innocent.

Perhaps a ride along with the NZFS would wake you up too? A station with a rescue tender, you may learn why police target boyracers.

You get pulled over because you fit the profile, stop feeling so bloody sorry for yourself.....BTW, I was hardly ever pulled over in my WRX sti, big exhaust, etc, but I didn't drive it like a dick and was left alone.....I think maybe you might more guilty than you lead on?

[batboy]

Do a ride along, I promise you, you will want to beat the shit out of the boy-racers you meet, with the smart ass shit they dish out then expect some respect and some sort of a break when it comes to fines (which by the way are generally for dangerous/un-certified modifications right?) - you sound like the pacific island community crying about cops trialling tasers out south- as they have bad hearts.......

Wrong the fines a dished out in accordance to laws brought in as knee jerk reactions to the need for the goverment to appease the public and win votes
see : Exhaust noise, and adjustable suspension etc

Maybe they have a personal vandetta against you? perhaps in their meetings your picture is on the wall and they talk about ways to fine you?

I hope you have a smarter brain in your head than this?

Oh yes its so bloody personal, getalife, believe it or not the majority of boyracers are not the trouble makers buddy, but we all get tarred with the same brush, how is this fair? mmm, and dont come back with the whole they cant tell the good from the bad. About 6/7 years ago it was not uncommon for boyracers to *555 others who were doing stupid/dangerous things and get results, the cops were a good bunch as i had many a good hard chat with them, and they were lenient towards naughty behaviour in areas where the public was not affected (McLeans island, port hills), but now due to pressure from the goverment to meet fine quotas (if u think they dont exist get your head out of the sand) and keep the whinging few happy, the have managed to alienate themselves from the youth of today, not only boyracers but all youth

Also think about what you wrote there....."no longer worried about crime "except boy racers"- so they do commit crimes? So you have an issue with police targetting crime by a known group of people publicly breaking the law and annoying the shit out of EVERYONE else?
By the way, without the boy racers they would have the resources to fully commit to other crimes.....
Maybe it's the boy racers in-directly responsible for other crimes being able to take place? (semi piss take but think about it)

See above for bullshit laws, but jsut to add one more, its not illegal to sell "p" pipe in shops or bongs, but its illegal to possess one mmm tell me how that works, same applies to loud exhausts, they need to stop making patch up laws and actually think why and fix the root.
Boyracers are not going to vanish overnight due to being banned from here and there or fined, the public and media and people like clayton cosgrove have turned this issue into a circus its pathetic

Perhaps a ride along with the NZFS would wake you up too? A station with a rescue tender, you may learn why police target boyracers.

haha i know quite a few boyracers who are volenteer firefighters....go figure they are still subject to the same discremantion i am, they dont drive erratically as they like me are aware of the consequence but some of them have a pretty good fine collection.

You get pulled over because you fit the profile, stop feeling so bloody sorry for yourself.....BTW, I was hardly ever pulled over in my WRX sti, big exhaust, etc, but I didn't drive it like a dick and was left alone.....I think maybe you might more guilty than you lead on?

i fit the profile aye, so does every moari male in is late 20's who comes from a single parent family, fit the profile of a wife basher? gee your narrow minded
So how long ago did you drive said WRX? mmm not recently im sure.
haha and no im not more guilty than i lead on, i no longer go out in my car as its too expensive being fined on the spot for my "loud" certified exhaust and getting 10 demerits every time, as i need my liscense

[batboy]

oh and just to clarify, im not claiming to be perfect as in never speed. yes i speed on occasion who doesn't, but i tend to speed in non residential areas not Cashmere road for example where i see the soccer moms, neither do i whinge about speeding fines.
I also attend track days to improve my driving ability and no the limits of my veichle, i worked as a mechanic for 5 years so i would be able to know the ins and outs of cars, know whats legal and not, and make sure i was certified for all modifications and make my car safe on the road.
I complain and whinge about fines resulting in police ignorance such as the loud exhaust thing and being fined for having semi slick tires on my car (so my fwd does not break traction as easily) that were brand new, but accoring to pc plod were bald.

[imdying]

Exhaust noise, and adjustable suspension etc

Excessive exhaust noise should be a fine, it affects too many people. They can't fine you for a car that has been correctly modified and certified. If you're getting fines for that, you're obviously not following the rules that are very clearly laid out.

About 6/7 years ago it was not uncommon for boyracers to *555 others who were doing stupid/dangerous things and get results, the cops were a good bunch as i had many a good hard chat with them, and they were lenient towards naughty behaviour in areas where the public was not affected (McLeans island, port hills)

What a load of shite... they've been actively policing those areas longer than you've had a license.

tell me how that works

Because you don't actually have to use them for that purpose for one, for another, people can and do use them for smoking legal substances.

Boyracers are not going to vanish overnight due to being banned from here and there or fined, the public and media and people like clayton cosgrove have turned this issue into a circus its pathetic

No, boy racers have turned it into a circus.

haha i know quite a few boyracers who are volenteer firefighters....

Ahhhh 'quite a few', the idiots favourite magical figure from Made Up Land.

i fit the profile aye, so does every moari male in is late 20's who comes from a single parent family, fit the profile of a wife basher?

It's Maori.

i no longer go out in my car as its too expensive being fined on the spot for my "loud" certified exhaust and getting 10 demerits every time, as i need my liscense

Have you considered pursing the PCA if you honestly think you're being harassed? How about getting a quieter exhaust? Not everyone wants to hear your mighty wankmobile.

[ducatilover]

such arguments make me amused....
keep it up, defend the boy racers....skids bey...whoop whoop

is that how they talk?

[firefighter]

haha i know quite a few boyracers who are volenteer firefighters....

Aghum......so? ANYONE can join a volunteer brigade......(not putting them down that's a whole other issue which need not come up here)

i fit the profile aye, so does every moari male in is late 20's who comes from a single parent family, fit the profile of a wife basher? gee your narrow minded

DO NOT put words in my mouth......Do you suggest the NZ police pull out a magic radar which sorts out the goodies and the baddies? Yes you fit the profile, they check your vehicle, what do you expect? For them to just magically know your car is safe/legal?

So how long ago did you drive said WRX? mmm not recently im sure.
haha and no im not more guilty than i lead on, i no longer go out in my car as its too expensive being fined on the spot for my "loud" certified exhaust and getting 10 demerits every time, as i need my liscense

No, you are quite right, it was a little while ago, I sold it 4 years ago (I think), but guess what? The exact same things were happening......and idiot friends of mine were pulled over, I was'nt, they sounded just like you, but when you drove with them you knew why.....talked about knowing the limits of their vehicle too (seriously same words, same channel, same gripes, sound just like you)

You also have accused me of a lot, and presumed a lot, why on earth should I take you seriously with you flapping your gums like this? carrying on about quotas etc......You think I was born yesturday?

You honestly sound like a child, hardly a man of any worldly experience or knowledge of things of any real importance.....perhaps it's time you left little old N.Z and see the world, gather some life experience, and come back and see what you think of these dodgy looking, poxy overly loud cars, tearing the shit out of the areas they pollute, leaving behind bottles, rubbish, skidmarks, smashed glass, fights, intimidation, and a shit-load of noise....sounds great for all those invovled leaving behind the shit for everyone else to clean up....

There's two sides to a story, your obviously only prepared to see one, iv'e been there and done that, reading what you have written I can't believe your two years older than I am.

You seriously need to grow up.....I'm not even digging at you, you really, really sound like a school boy....(i'm sure I read your 27 somewhere in here....) I hope your not like this in person....unless you have some sort of mental illness then I apologise.

[ducatilover]

does sound a bit school boyish. im only 20 and i have a more mature view on the subject.
i dont get pulled and my bike isnt exactly quiet. so what does that go to say?
i have been pulled many a time and had fines but i was riding with no wof/rego and thats silly. i dont get all up in arms about the police eg; aw bey them cunts gived me a fine ae coz they dicks and shit yo
grow up

[Mikkel]

You seriously need to grow up.....I'm not even digging at you, you really, really sound like a school boy....(i'm sure I read your 27 somewhere in here....) I hope your not like this in person....unless you have some sort of mental illness then I apologise.

While I agree with almost everything you posted - I have to say that you loose an argument the exact same second you tell your opposition to grow up. You don't argue with children, period.

[firefighter]

While I agree with almost everything you posted - I have to say that you loose an argument the exact same second you tell your opposition to grow up. You don't argue with children, period.

hahaha, true.

[scumdog]

Meh, us hot-rod types had to put up with M.O.T. bully-boys and 'underhand' tactics way back in the 70's (or earlier, memory is a tad fuzzy).
The even picked on 'genuine hot rodders' and 'car enthusiasts' too.

Only we never had the interweb thingy to bleat on about it on...