Latest Military Tech

[FzerozeroT]

Playstation anyone?

[Quasievil]

I see its a rifle a auto or semi, but is it real or artifical? the barrel looks way to small, like .177 slug gun, looks to small to fire a military 5.56 or similar
looks kind of disposable

[Kickaha]

It's real,its a Heckler & Koch XM8,and a nice peice of kit can't really see myself being allowed to import one to go for the odd bunny shoot although I'm sure the 100 round magazine would come in handy

http://www.military.com/soldiertech/...h_XM8,,00.html

[jrandom]

Very nice. Proper gas-piston design, none of this crap-where-you-eat blowback rubbish you get in the AR/M16s. Wouldn't it be nice if our Army could afford to replace the Steyrs with these, eh?

You could import one privately if it had appropriate mods to disable fully-automatic operation. Then it'd just be an E-class MSSA.

And if you subsequently replaced the trigger sear, or whatever else might be required to get it back to original condition... who'd be watching?

[Hoon]

Yeah I dunno. From soldiers point of view its hard to say without testing one in the field.
I've grown quite accustomed to the our Steyrs bullpup design now and like its shorter length and rear mag which allows changing while still staying in the aim. Also having some weight to the rear balances the rifle out nicely and makes it easier to hold with one hand. However like most gas operated assault rifles they can jam if not kept clean.

To me reliability is most important. I want to know how well it handles water, mud and sand, how many fiddly parts its has and how easy and quick it is to clean in the dark.

Also I'm not much of a fan of flashy electronic stuff. Nothing worse than the batteries going flat while you're out on patrol. And no open sights would make reaction shooting difficult (i.e. when someone pops out from a bush and you don't have time to line them up through the scope).

[scumdog]

At least a "lefty" like me could use it without getting a face-full of hot brass and powder particles , I agree about the optics, some form of aperature sight as a stand-by would be good/essential.
The military is looking at a new smaller capacity cartridge,anybody got any info? not sure if it's a shorter case or what.

[jrandom]

Yeah I dunno. From soldiers point of view its hard to say without testing one in the field.

Indeed. But it's an H&K... can't be *too* bad.

I've grown quite accustomed to the our Steyrs bullpup design now and like its shorter length and rear mag which allows changing while still staying in the aim.

Hmmm. I suppose you either love bullpups or hate them. Never used one myself so couldn't say...

And no open sights would make reaction shooting difficult (i.e. when someone pops out from a bush and you don't have time to line them up through the scope).

I suppose they're expecting you to go full-auto rock 'n' roll from the hip with your 100rd drum mag when that happens...

Interesting that they went for a full-auto mode with this rifle, wonder if they've solved the spray 'n' pray mode inaccuracy problems with the original M16. Or *any* carbine-sized shoulder weapon for that matter.

[Skyryder]

Na noisy guns. Give me a hi tek fishing rod and reel any day, for 'real' hunting that is.

Skyryder

[Hitcher]

Read all about it:
http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military...bines/xm8.html

[Jackrat]

Na noisy guns. Give me a hi tek fishing rod and reel any day, for 'real' hunting that is.

Skyryder

Hmmm,mix an match mate.
Mitchell spider cast 3kg,Mitchell water proof 8kg,Penn 320GTI 15kg.
Sako A1.308,Brno SKK.308,H&K G3 .308,Marlin M70 .22.
Martin Firecat 65-80LB,PSE Coyote 50lb,Samick SLB69 45LB,Jerry Hill wild cat deluxe 55lb,Oneida black eagle 50-70lb.

If the power ever goes out I'll be ready

[Quasievil]

Looks like a peice of crap, bring back Ye Ole Faithful SLR 7.76 kick arse "you know when theyre" dead , reliable 70's 80's rifle of choice of the NZ army. Nothing like the poofy, oops my mag fell out shit they have these days!!

Bit like the modern NZ soldier wanna bes "Oh im tired better hold up my time out card its to tuff for me", cant carry to much might hurt my back not to mention the OSH sunhat requirement Army aint what it used to be since the WANK's got into it to many poofy ways.

Gee I wonder if I will get a reaction, should do got a big bait on that Hook lol
sorry felt like a shit stir

[Big Dog]

Ye Ole Faithful SLR 7.76 kick arse "you know when theyre" dead ,

I thought the reason for discontinuing the 7.62 round in the services had to do with some international humanitarian thing?
Something about round tumble / punch. I saw a 8mm film once, supposedly filmed in nam by a reporter. A stolen 7.62 came right through a tree trunk and tore a NZ soldiers arm clean off. If it wern't real it was way to realistic.

Apparently when hit by a 7.62 you were more likely to die than a simmilar wound from any other round size.

Having never used either My preference for the M16 over the styr comes down to one thing if it came down to no ammo hand to hand which would you rather be holding.

Conversely which would you rather be hit by baseball style?

[pete376403]

When I were a lad, in the Territorials, our platoon corp had done a tour in Vietnam. After listening to us all grizzle about how heavy the SLRs were and why couldn't we have M16s, he said he had seen VC shot with with the high velocity round from an M16 and keep on coming, where the slow, heavy round of an SLR would knock them over, even if it didn't kill outright.

[Jackrat]

Looks like a peice of crap, bring back Ye Ole Faithful SLR 7.76 kick arse "you know when theyre" dead , reliable 70's 80's rifle of choice of the NZ army. Nothing like the poofy, oops my mag fell out shit they have these days!!

Bit like the modern NZ soldier wanna bes "Oh im tired better hold up my time out card its to tuff for me", cant carry to much might hurt my back not to mention the OSH sunhat requirement Army aint what it used to be since the WANK's got into it to many poofy ways.

Gee I wonder if I will get a reaction, should do got a big bait on that Hook lol
sorry felt like a shit stir

Well not the sort of reaction you could have got huh.
I thought the trend toward lighter and lighter calibers was just that.
Their lighter so you can carry more yet they still have the punch to do the job at hand.I remember when the Styer was first bought out,the NZ army had heaps of reliability problems with them.
Personaly if I was shooting at something that shot back I'd want BIG on my side as well.

[Quasievil]

Well not the sort of reaction you could have got huh.
I thought the trend toward lighter and lighter calibers was just that.
Their lighter so you can carry more yet they still have the punch to do the job at hand.I remember when the Styer was first bought out,the NZ army had heaps of reliability problems with them.
Personaly if I was shooting at something that shot back I'd want BIG on my side as well.

Yeah the styer came out after I left the Army but I heard that if you didnt put them together right on (a clip in the butt or something) the thing would fall apart.
Yeah heavy as hell compared to the M16, the m16 though wouldnt be my weapon of choice, my Sergent served Veitnam and commented how the US forces wanted to trade the M16 for the SLR because of the hitting power, the M16's lighter round would not always stop a enemy easily.