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    Aprilia Shiver + Ducati 696 Monster + Honda CB1000 = Saturday morning fun

    After reading the Shiver review from Hitcher I was inspired to go try one for myself. I have had my bike for two years and could be inspired to make a change, if I found the right bike to inspire me.

    Since I was in the Hutt and had my gear, it seemed only fair to try the new Honda CB1000 as well (being a past owner and current part owner of the 919 Hornet). Riding the Monster was not in the plans, it just kinda happened

    Disclaimer:
    I am not a story writer, so this will not be the fantastic words that you see in Hitchers quality reviews.

    Aprilia Shiver
    First impression
    The looks don't really do it for me. It's not ugly but it's not pretty.

    Sitting on and ride position
    The bike is pretty high, I was almost on tip toes to get both feet on the ground (apparently the demo is as low as it gets in stock form)
    Riding off the first thing I notice is how low the foot pegs feel, this may be just the difference from my bike, but my legs felt very straight up and down. The overall feel is very comfortable, when up to 100kph the wind nicely holds the body up.

    Riding
    I felt I could ride this bike for hours with no problems, very comfortable. Cornering was easy (once I got a little more used to the engine).

    Engine and Exhaust
    Nice, very responsive and loved the sound. I have not ridden twins very often so it took a bit to get used to it, but I sense an understanding of the 'character' people talk about when they rave about twins.
    I was however having problems in the 4000-6000 rev range. 2nd gear (and when I changed to first gear) was a little jerky at 50/60 speed, to the point where I stopped just after leaving the shop looking to see if I need to flick the bike onto reserve. By the end of the test ride I just figured it was what it did and was riding around it.

    Gearbox
    Like a hot knife in butter. It felt like my boot only needed to make an up/down motion near the gear shit. Loved it.

    Brakes
    Probably the highlight for me on the Shiver. I was finding excuses to use the brakes cause I loved the feeling

    Overall impressions
    Good bike, actually a very good bike. Not for me however.

    Thanks TSS for the demo.

    Now its off to Motomart to try the CB1000. Walk in the door and there sits Ducati after Ducati, glowing in their red Ducatiness. I am sure they sell Hondas in here, but I just have to look at these red beasts first. 749, 1098, 1098r, Desmocidi They are all here. Trudes spies the new Monster 696, a very nice looking naked bike I must say (in Ducati red of course). Chris comes over while Trudes is trying it out for size, confirming even she can get her feet almost flat on the ground Chris advises this is a demo bike, only one thing I can do then I guess

    Ducati 696 Monster
    First impression
    Looks great. For a small bike it doesn't look that small. It's red.

    Sitting on and ride position
    It has already passed the feet on the ground test, so no problems there (this is an important consideration when your partner rides and helps finance the next bike purchase) Riding away I think it doesn't feel like a small bike, it feels just right for me. The pegs are up higher than the Shiver, feeling like a more natural position. There is a little more wind protection up top (probably a combination of the small screen and the slightly more lent over body position). I did notice more wind on the legs than the Shiver, with my jeans flapping in the wind.

    Riding
    I get a little surprise when I turned right at the Hutt roundabout. The bike tipped in fast, way faster than the Shiver. That was my first hint about the way this bike likes to be ridden. It loved corners, I loved riding corners on it. I don't really know how to describe it, but it was great fun.

    Engine and Exhaust
    Noticeable less power and noise than the Shiver, but seemed like plenty for this size of bike.

    Gear box
    Clunk clunk. You certainly knew when you had changed gear.

    Brakes
    Just like the Shiver, awesome. But I noticed them less on the Monster (see overall impressions)

    Overall impressions
    Wow, I loved riding this bike. It felt like I was going fast all the time. It felt comfortable and confident at the same time. It made me feel like riding more.
    I spent the whole time thinking I want to ride faster, braking seemed unnecessary. It was simply a pleasure to ride.
    Would I trade my bike for this? hmmmmmm

    Honda CB1000
    First impressions
    Looks different in the pictures, looks different in the flesh. It grew on me a little, but I would not say I am a fan yet.

    Sitting on and ride position
    Felt ok, relaxed and everything in the right place (except the digital speedo on the left, that seemed odd)

    Engine and Exhaust
    Quiet and smooth, just like an IL4. It only had 37km on the clock so I was fairly gentle

    Gearbox
    Worked well, no problems. I hit a false neutral on both the other bikes :slap: but not this one.

    Brakes
    Wooden, only way I can describe them. The low k's is probably a big disadvantage and they did feel better (or I was used to them) by the end of the ride. But compared to the Aprilia and Ducati the Honda brakes were simply adequate.

    Overall impressions
    A nice bike. It does everything well and feels nice and efficient. What sums it up for me is the feeling I had half way into my usual test ride route, I was ready to take the bike back. It simply wasn't doing it for me.

    Thanks Motomart for the test rides.

    So there you have it. Three good bikes, but only one bike I really enjoyed.

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    Good reviews
    I sense a Monster 1100s in your future

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    I forgot to say a huge thanks to my darling wife, for standing round in the bike shops waiting for me for three hours. Love you

    I had mentioned a larger Monster may be just what he doctor orders.

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    i know what you mean,
    i only rode my duc less than 5km's,got back to the shop and forked over the coin.
    forsale A100,awesome power.
    near ready for bucket raceing,or just a padock,beach hack.
    gotta be a good deal,surely

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    Your comments re the Shiver align fairly closely with BIKE magazine in that they rate the bike as particularly suited to tall riders.

    You are kinder to the Ducati than they were, "Tall riders will find the riding position uncomfortable."

    I was interested in your comments re the CB1000R but I guess I'll have to try for it myself. Having sat on it and had both feet flat on the ground I was encouraged. The VFR doesn't lend itself to that sort of thing which can lead to anxious moments when parking on unfriendly surfaces.

    To provide some perspective for your comments an indication of your height would be helpful. Which also raises the question at to Hitcher's inside leg measurement
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    All going well ill get to add to your 696 and CB1000 review this week....
    Am specially interested in the cb1000rrrrrr!
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    Nice comparative review, Mr KD.

    The Shiver's footpegs do feel low. However I've taken the back tyre edge to edge on several occasions now and have yet to drag a peg. How do they do that?
    "Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]

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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    To provide some perspective for your comments an indication of your height would be helpful.
    5ft10 for me, Hitcher is considerably taller.

    So my weekend of fun riding concluded today riding a couple more bikes.

    First up a 749s.

    Stunning looking bike with the Ducati sound that makes you just want to start it up to listen to it. I really enjoyed riding this bike, the engine was sooooo sooooo smooth. Corners were effortless and the brakes, why can't all bikes have brakes like this?
    Unfortunately I think I would struggle with my day to day needs for a bike. The 749 is more designed for weekend blasting and track days rather than touring and commuting. I am sure it could do the latter, just not very practically.
    Thanks for letting me go for a blast on it Vicki

    The final bike I rode was mine. This was to check I am still on the right bike, I needed some convincing especially needed after riding the 749. So I headed off to exactly the same roads I had tried all the other bikes on.



    I am sure part of it is the comfort of being on the bike you own and being familiar with it. But that aside I really do enjoy riding the 750. Fuelling issue aside this bike is the complete package for the road. It's got the right amount of power, good brakes, very comfortable (for a sports bike), sticks to the road in corners, inspires confidence, looks good and so on.
    It's going to be a big ask to find a bike that makes me want to change.

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    Hey what better place to be left to hang around for several hours, loads of scrummy bikes to pick over, especially those Ducatis, except that after about an hour they all started to blend in together and I couldn't tell what I was looking at any more.
    I'm hoping to get into Motomart sometime during next week to have a try of the 696.... (as I'm sure any astute salesman should know by now, it's usually the wife who gets the final say on the forking out of dosh!!) However first impressions of the 696 for me is that it is very nice looking in the flesh (commented several times that it would look very nice in my garage, helps also that I've long liked the look of the Monster, and this one looks especially modern and sexy) and the fact that I would actually be able to take the bike for a test ride without the shop needing to tamper with the suspension to lower the thing first is a very rare thing that immediately makes me warm to the machine..... Now to ride it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kendog View Post
    So I headed off to exactly the same roads I had tried all the other bikes on.
    So what route did you take?

    (Sorry Trudes...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trudes View Post
    Hey what better place to be left to hang around for several hours, loads of scrummy bikes to pick over, especially those Ducatis, except that after about an hour they all started to blend in together and I couldn't tell what I was looking at any more.
    I'm hoping to get into Motomart sometime during next week to have a try of the 696.... (as I'm sure any astute salesman should know by now, it's usually the wife who gets the final say on the forking out of dosh!!) However first impressions of the 696 for me is that it is very nice looking in the flesh (commented several times that it would look very nice in my garage, helps also that I've long liked the look of the Monster, and this one looks especially modern and sexy) and the fact that I would actually be able to take the bike for a test ride without the shop needing to tamper with the suspension to lower the thing first is a very rare thing that immediately makes me warm to the machine..... Now to ride it!!
    have fun.
    forsale A100,awesome power.
    near ready for bucket raceing,or just a padock,beach hack.
    gotta be a good deal,surely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    So what route did you take?

    (Sorry Trudes...)
    Hutt Motorway, over the Haywards, along the inlet (Whitby side) then back.

    Motorway for testing what a bike is like on boring straight roads.
    Haywards for quickish uphill passing and corners, plus a good suspension test as some of that road is pretty bumpy.
    Inlet for smooth corners, just need to wait for gaps in the traffic, especially now it has end to end double yellow lines

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    I'm not talking to any of you now.

    The Wainuiomata Coast road is a better bet for quick tests, I reckon. Gives a large range of road types, surfaces, and conditions in very short order, and any adventure or trail type bikes can be encouraged to go "off piste" so to speak, at the very end of the road.

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    Hi Mr KD, thanks for writing up your test-riding experiences.

    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    To provide some perspective for your comments an indication of your height would be helpful.
    so you're 5'10 and thought the Monster was about right? And Ms Trudes found it not too tall either? Is she considerably diminutiver than thou, or just a bit?

    I'm a confirmed short-ar5e so nice bikes I might have a chance of being able to sit on without shelling out for complicated suspension surgery or having to tough it out for a couple of years on the rack sound like the way forward. If it's fairly forgiving for the shorter rider maybe I should go and try sitting on one as well :)

    and red ones go faster. I'm given to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LardEmbargo View Post
    so you're 5'10 and thought the Monster was about right? And Ms Trudes found it not too tall either? Is she considerably diminutiver than thou, or just a bit?

    I'm a confirmed short-ar5e so nice bikes I might have a chance of being able to sit on without shelling out for complicated suspension surgery or having to tough it out for a couple of years on the rack sound like the way forward. If it's fairly forgiving for the shorter rider maybe I should go and try sitting on one as well

    and red ones go faster. I'm given to understand.
    With you there. I'm 5'6 and had to shell out thousands to get my Hornet low enough to be able to paddle about. When I sat on the 696 both my feet were almost flat on the floor, I NEVER get that unless I'm sitting on a cruiser or a GN or something I wouldn't want to ride. Plus the bike is very light and the weight of it feels like it's really well balanced, so I can imagine it's even easier to maneuver about for us short-arsed folk!!

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