Antonie Dixon is deceased

[candor]

Mental disorder does not equal insane. Many with mental disorders are sane.
A depressed person who kills an innocent while not psychotically depressed is sane and guilty. If their depression is psychotically so eg they believed the victim was Hitler reincarnated and likely up to no good, well then insane.

Checkout the difference between psychotic & psychopathic.

Dixon was psychopathic ='s mentally disordered so far as having a personality (typical way of interacting with the world) of a very bad makeup, that can be considered so far off the big lump bell curve spread as to constitute a disorder (socially mutant), but was sane (under the law) as he knew what the situations around him involved, and the improper nature and illegal consequences of his actions. Proceeded regardless.

Insanity under our law refers to being out of reality contact due to a brain chemical imbalance (eg believing God or the devils voice is commanding you) as to make you not so responsible for actions. A personality disorder like psychopathy is no defense, thank god. Dixon tried the defense that P had him insane - but it was thrown out, and further discredited by his later boasting re his crimes. That can not have all happened under the influence.
His insane posing in Court was just further evidence of his personailty being psychopathic (badass) - self serving manipulative behaviour is on the checklist. Incidentally nuts don't have staring eyes like that bad, thyroid disorders do so he shoulda researched better and done something like pretending he was hearing auditory hallucinations.

I've nursed people who killed while insane, but once medication returned sanity they were horrified at their actions, even to the point of suicidality.

Still don't buy that the probability is Dixon freely suicided but only 1 or possibly 2 people know 4 sure. His family have said they're dubious so a Police investigation round his many sus injuries is on per the Herald. Dixon claimed they withheld needed meds - not sure if he meant P or the real thing. Knowing he was under stress they allowed possession of killer objects - WTF of all the so called suicide proofed cells for those in suspected "timnes of trouble".

There could still be a killer on the loose inside - that may be kosha if we aren't concerned re Dixon, but what of others stuck inside who may not be so noxious and may be exposed to risk of unofficial execution (active or by looking away) without judicially stamped death sentence - appeal rights etc. I know of a guy died inside through captors failure to provide insulin - innocent but arrested as a supposed drunk since he was acting goofy from low sugar levels This sudden death inside fate happens lots to aborigines who hang like Dixon did, apparently.

[Patrick]

These comments made me believe you thought he was insane!?

Nah... As Candor points out in a long winded but detailed and corrct way....

Indicators that he "could" be suicidal. People who commit suicide are not necessarily insane. (Summed up in short, ay Candor?)

....There could still be a killer on the loose inside - that may be kosha if we aren't concerned re Dixon, but what of others stuck inside who may not be so noxious and may be exposed to risk of unofficial execution (active or by looking away) without judicially stamped death sentence - appeal rights etc. I know of a guy died inside through captors failure to provide insulin - innocent but arrested as a supposed drunk since he was acting goofy from low sugar levels This sudden death inside fate happens lots to aborigines who hang like Dixon did, apparently.

These "not so noxious" types are in Paremoremo..... Most are killers. Not so noxious types go to the prison farms. BURTON and BELL still roam around, so there is hope yet....

The insulin fella died in a Police cell, not at Parry... if we are talkin of the same one... Thought he was drunk and gave him a bed to sleep it off, no charges, just a place to sober up.... Times have changed, but it was a tragic event, that one.

[Ixion]

'Tis well possible to be both bad and mad. And the mad doesn't always exuse the bad.

[SixPackBack]

Nah... As Candor points out in a long winded but detailed and corrct way....

Indicators that he "could" be suicidal. People who commit suicide are not necessarily insane. (Summed up in short, ay Candor?)



These "not so noxious" types are in Paremoremo..... Most are killers. Not so noxious types go to the prison farms. BURTON and BELL still roam around, so there is hope yet....

The insulin fella died in a Police cell, not at Parry... if we are talkin of the same one... Thought he was drunk and gave him a bed to sleep it off, no charges, just a place to sober up.... Times have changed, but it was a tragic event, that one.

Semantics. We can call the anti-social behaviour whatever we like. Failing to address the 'fault' and clapping when an individual dies is just wrong.

Psychotic or psychopathic?.........we can call it what we like, the truth is no method of fixing the behaviour exists, and that equals FAIL!

[Patrick]

Semantics. We can call the anti-social behaviour whatever we like. Failing to address the 'fault' and clapping when an individual dies is just wrong.

Psychotic or psychopathic?.........we can call it what we like, the truth is no method of fixing the behaviour exists, and that equals FAIL!

A 15c bullet fixes it quite nicely.....

[doc]

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People who commit suicide are not necessarily insane.

WTF they would have to be a looser's then. Suicide is all about yourself isn't it.
It's certainly not a cowards way out is it, ferk it must hurt takin your own life.

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Semantics. We can call the anti-social behaviour whatever we like. Failing to address the 'fault' and clapping when an individual dies is just wrong

Yor jokin now aren't you ? Now it's our fault. Your are not into social work are you ? Why don't you take people like this into your home and give them the help they are crying out for. Sometimes the breeding is wrong and we should have taken the steps nature does .

We have some sick fu.k's locally that have taking to grabbing the goats that are tethered on the roadside and dragging them behind their cars for for fun. How are you going to fix that fault with your present PC climate. How can you honestly protect these types with your "Social Engineering" crap ? not stirring just disappointed that ppl want to protect ppl that perform like this in society then use its rules to protect themselves.

[SixPackBack]

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People who commit suicide are not necessarily insane.

WTF they would have to be a looser's then. Suicide is all about yourself isn't it.
It's certainly not a cowards way out is it, ferk it must hurt takin your own life.




Yor jokin now aren't you ? Now it's our fault. Your are not into social work are you ? Why don't you take people like this into your home and give them the help they are crying out for. Sometimes the breeding is wrong and we should have taken the steps nature does .

We have some sick fu.k's locally that have taking to grabbing the goats that are tethered on the roadside and dragging them behind their cars for for fun. How are you going to fix that fault with your present PC climate. How can you honestly protect these types with your "Social Engineering" crap ? not stirring just disappointed that ppl want to protect ppl that perform like this in society then use its rules to protect themselves.

Don't get me wrong, I 'aint crying nor do I wish to protect the 'Dixon's' of our society, furthermore; enough of the Neanderthal exists within my self to guarantee a totally illogical response if my family had been involved.......

Blame lies with society when for all our criminal study we are completely unable to fix psychological problems. We are in effect waiting for study and technology to 'catch up' and provide solutions. Cheering in the mean time makes us look pretty fucken backward.

[candor]

Not sure what you mean by solutions. The Dixons are what they are and can no more be changed than the Mother Teresas after reaching age 7 or 11 at the outside - as these are the critical parameters for when the personality structure sets in cement. Earlier attempts on social control of adult no hopers included labotomies but containment where they can live with others they relate to would seem kinder.

There are programs that can teach motivated people who are not at the serious end of psychopathy spectrum some control of the worst behaviours of preference in adult psychopaths, but this really goes against the grain for them and does not upgrade the inner engine, which is most likely to rebel against the niceness training brigade. (This lot work in our prisons on criminogenic thought stopping which interrupts offence commission, with mild success ie reduced court appearances).

There are also heavy ethical issues that mitigate against deprogramming and reprogramming of human hardware. Saw it done once in a criminally insane ward with the patients consent but this was a 5 year staff intensive program that involved challenging and stripping every aspect of the psychopaths thinking, feelings and behaviour taking him back to the "empty vessel of babyhood" then reparenting.

We killed the existing person in a real sense. The number of staff burnt out, staff numbers required for frequent restraints etc, risk of suicidality when all "antisocial" thinking and behaviour defense mechanism are stripped, and the cost of several million dollars that was factored in as a shared cost to the health and justice departments make this treatment prohibitive. The end result was someone who could be trusted to leave the grounds with one instead of several staff members (now able to soothe him) and not go on a rampage, versus him never being up to public mixing. And he actually became a nice guy rather than the vicious feral his scuzzy subcultural upb ringing had made him first.

Containment or redirecting the aggression into corporate or political careers with minders is most satisfactory.

[Patrick]

WTF they would have to be a looser's then. Suicide is all about yourself isn't it.
It's certainly not a cowards way out is it, ferk it must hurt takin your own life.
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Cowards way out it is...

Doesn't alwaysd hurt. There are ways, and there are ways....

[Tank]

Cowards way out it is...

Doesn't alwaysd hurt. There are ways, and there are ways....

They should post instructions on the inside of the cell doors.

[SixPackBack]

Simple minds incapable of seeing the future-very sad.

[Patrick]

Simple minds incapable of seeing things as they are, in the real world, is sadder.....

TBH, there are a few more I would be pleased to see 6 feet under. The vast majority, there is hope for. Even if it is a glimmer, it is there. DIXON's glimmer, and a few of his roomie mammas or pappas, went out years ago.