Mark Lundy - miscarriage of justice?

[MsKABC]

If the journey "wasn't impossible" why has no-one else been able to travel the distance in the time, and still be able to run 2 x 500m trips and change their clothes?

Unless we were on the jury (which I wasn't) we can only go on the court evidence as presented in the media. That evidence leaves a lot of doubt. Just before tonight's program I commented to my wife that if it had been presented that the murders occurred between 3:00 and 4:00 am then I would find a guilty verdict much more plausible, but that wasn't sugested, and the defence were not able to refute it, so we are left with an impossible drive, run, murder, change of clothes, dispose of evidence, all in under 3 hours.

Apparently the jury were instructed that they should not consider the crown's case to be totally dependant on the plausibility of that 3 hour trip. (Or words to that effect - I can't remember what was said exactly.)

Like the doco maker said: Maybe Lundy does deserve a retrial, but it looks pretty certain he did it, so I'm not losing any sleep over it.

[davereid]

Police almost blew this one.

They got hung up on the opinion of a pathologist that the time of death was 7pm, and focussed the balance of the investigation around this belief.

If we accept the time of death was 7pm then we have to accept that Lundy is amongst the world best drivers.

We also have to accept that he was able to budgeon his little girl 7 times, then, an hour later put it out of his mind, and have sex.

I'm afraid that for me at least, images of my hacked up wife and daughter would fill my mind, rather than the images of titties that make sex a runner !

Had I been on the jury, I would have found him not guilty.

Police never considered a different time of death, as they just accepted the pathologists estimate as accurate.

However had they given the jury a WINDOW of time, then Lundy could easily have done it.

I think the judge saw that, and was trying to tell the jury "don't get hung up on the three hour thing".

IMHO the right man has been convicted, but it was sloppy work by the pathologist that almost gave him an exit route.

[Jantar]

Apparently the jury were instructed that they should not consider the crown's case to be totally dependant on the plausibility of that 3 hour trip. (Or words to that effect - I can't remember what was said exactly.)

Like the doco maker said: Maybe Lundy does deserve a retrial, but it looks pretty certain he did it, so I'm not losing any sleep over it.

This is another one of those cases where the Scottish verdict of "Not Proven" would be appropriate. It means the defendent is probably guilty, but there is just one or two points that stand out and need to be proved. The defendent can be called back to trial should that proof or further evidence come to light, and the defendant can recall the trial if he has further evidence to establish his innocence.

[Headbanger]

Put a bullet in the back of his head and all the thousand shades of grey become redundant.

Let people debate the Scottish fluff over his grave.

[korimako1]

Well, lots of people here think ML is guilty but now we have a police officer who deliberately withheld evidence, for 12 years, that quite clearly sheds doubt on the brain tissue evidence. Privy Council accepts hearing. Crown admitted evidence should have been disclosed and wasnt. A dodgy conviction. so many people here willing to believe all the bad stuff that the media threw out there with scant regard to the truth. The defence team werent up to it because of the complex nature of the science and of course they were MISLEAD by police.
Will everyone here recant their opinions or hang on to half truths, rumours, lies and misinformation to satisfay their, I must be right egos.

[Banditbandit]

Naaa .. so one small piece of evidence that was not crucial has been found to be flawed ...

Lundy did it ...

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[scumdog]

[Virago]

...Will everyone here recant their opinions or hang on to half truths, rumours, lies and misinformation to satisfay their, I must be right egos.

No. He did it.

[Maha]

He is not innocent, just like that other stupid looking prick.

[Banditbandit]

He is not innocent, just like that other stupid looking prick.

Scott Watson ???

[Maha]

Yeah probably.

[Gremlin]

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At least the person is in NZ.... Rotorua / BOP area.

[Crasherfromwayback]

There was other very damning evidence though. The jury obviously felt it had been proved beyond reasonable doubt, and the return trip from Wgtn to Palmy in that timeframe wasn't impossible.

If the journey "wasn't impossible" why has no-one else been able to travel the distance in the time, and still be able to run 2 x 500m trips and change their clothes?

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I can 100% honestly state that it is indeed quite possible. I've driven a Holden Commodore complete with a trailer carrying two motorcycles from Lower Hutt (basically Petone) to Palmerston North in 1 hour 10 mins. My guess is he drove like a lunatic on the way there (if he got busted he hadn't committed a serious crime at that point), so as to be able to take it a lil easier on the way home once the crime had been committed. He had no way of explaining the full fuel tank being empty the day after filling it and only driving a very short distance. But you'd certainly use a full tank doing that trip.

[Crasherfromwayback]

We also have to accept that he was able to budgeon his little girl 7 times, then, an hour later put it out of his mind, and have sex.

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You mean like how he was putting on such an act at the funeral when the camera's were on him...yet when he got what he thought to be out of sight he perked right on up and looked almost happy? That sort of guy?+ It's well known that a burglar may hit the home owner once or twice in the head with a tommahawk...but to do so some 20 odd times (wannit) show's hate and purpose. I don't for a min believe he planned on killing his daughter. BUt I think she caught him in the act and disguise or not would've know it was him. So she had to go too.