Mark Lundy - miscarriage of justice?

[oldrider]

There's more than one or two ways from Petone to Palmerston North, how many did they check?

[korimako1]

Lower Hutt actually (as mentioned). Had to hit speeds of around 180 kph quite often...mostly around 160kph on the open road. Did mostly 80-120 kph everywhere. Was done at around 6.30am Sunday morning, and yes I had someone else with me. But you're telling the stories eh! Funnily enough I've had people say I'm dreaming to say I've done min 19 laps round Manfield on an 883 Harley, or min 16's on a 250 proddie bike back in 1991 on street legal (as in no slicks) tyres. Same thing though. They weren't actually there. Cause if you were...you'd know it all to be true.

Well sport you are a legend, the cops should have got you to do all their tests, then maybe they would have had something to play with, Nah. oh yes one small point 6.30am Sunday compared to rush hour traffic, get your watch checked ya dreamer

[korimako1]

There's more than one or two ways from Petone to Palmerston North, how many did they check?

all of them, each and every possible way and still they could not achieve what they claimed ML had done and the jury swallowed it, and why, because of dodgy shirt evidence and non-disclosure by Police.

[Murray]

Because I've driven to PN and back from Lower Hutt (basically Petone) in 1 hour and ten minutes each way

Lower Hutt actually (as mentioned).Was done at around 6.30am Sunday morning,

And when do you do the return trip??

And distance from Petone to Lower Hutt would be less than the distance from entering PN to the address of the Lundies. Are you sure your timings not from when you departed Lower Hutt (ie on the motorway) to when you arrived at the outskirts (Pioneer Highway)???

[Drew]

Well sport you are a legend, the cops should have got you to do all their tests, then maybe they would have had something to play with, Nah. oh yes one small point 6.30am Sunday compared to rush hour traffic, get your watch checked ya dreamer

Pete was quite clear that it couldn't be done at the time of day that Lundy was supposed to have done it.

It is well possible to do it in 1h10m with little traffic though. Consider that it can be done sub 1 hour without any bother at all on a gixxer thou, without ever going over 200kph, and Pete has a history of fairly fast cars.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well sport you are a legend, the cops should have got you to do all their tests, then maybe they would have had something to play with, Nah. oh yes one small point 6.30am Sunday compared to rush hour traffic, get your watch checked ya dreamer

Well cockface...if you can read (which I'm doubting)...you'll note I've said it's fucking IMPOSSIBLE for Lundy to have done it when the police say he did. Hence why I mentioned it was actually 6.30am when I managed it.

And when do you do the return trip??

And distance from Petone to Lower Hutt would be less than the distance from entering PN to the address of the Lundies. Are you sure your timings not from when you departed Lower Hutt (ie on the motorway) to when you arrived at the outskirts (Pioneer Highway)???

About 1.30 in the morning. And it was from Avalon, right by the Kennedy Good Bridge. So a bit of a headstart from Petone for sure.

[Murray]

For the Lundy supporters. I'd like to hear how he went through a full tank of fuel...you know...the tank he filled in Petone the day of the murders, despite the fact that he says he only visited two clients in Wellington the next day? Please explain?

MISSING PETROL

North & South correctly state that Lundy had used about 58 liters since filling up the day before. He was known to have driven approx. 65km in and around the Hutt valley and Wellington city, and then 150km in his very fast drive home on August 30 th, that is 215km in total. This works out to be a fuel consumption of 27 liters per 100km which seems high. However, the police checked with a Ford Technical Service Engineer as early as September 6 th and he is recorded as saying “it would be possible for this type of vehicle to use approx. 58 liters of petrol if the vehicle was to travel between 50 and 100km around town at speeds of up to 50km/hr and then 150-170km at speeds averaging 140km/hr”.

So, there is no “missing petrol” at all. This Ford engineer was not called as a Crown witness, for obvious reasons, and the jury did not get to hear about his opinion.

The police had admitted to using 17.32 liters of petrol per 100km on one of their “reconstructions”, which they deny making. Lundy allegedly drove faster than they did (more fuel) but just taking the police figure, Lundy was short of 30 - 40 liters of petrol if he was to have driven at speed over 300km to commit the murders and return. The jury never got to hear any of this. They only heard about “missing petrol” and a vain attempt to explain it via siphoning. We agree with North & South that it is simply not good enough for the police to say that there is no evidence that Lundy didn’t buy petrol. In fact it is extraordinary. They must produce evidence that he did. That’s how the Justice System has to work.

Does that explain it????

[Crasherfromwayback]

MISSING PETROL

North & South correctly state that Lundy had used about 58 liters since filling up the day before. He was known to have driven approx. 65km in and around the Hutt valley and Wellington city, and then 150km in his very fast drive home on August 30 th, that is 215km in total. This works out to be a fuel consumption of 27 liters per 100km which seems high. However, the police checked with a Ford Technical Service Engineer as early as September 6 th and he is recorded as saying “it would be possible for this type of vehicle to use approx. 58 liters of petrol if the vehicle was to travel between 50 and 100km around town at speeds of up to 50km/hr and then 150-170km at speeds averaging 140km/hr”.

So, there is no “missing petrol” at all. This Ford engineer was not called as a Crown witness, for obvious reasons, and the jury did not get to hear about his opinion.

The police had admitted to using 17.32 liters of petrol per 100km on one of their “reconstructions”, which they deny making. Lundy allegedly drove faster than they did (more fuel) but just taking the police figure, Lundy was short of 30 - 40 liters of petrol if he was to have driven at speed over 300km to commit the murders and return. The jury never got to hear any of this. They only heard about “missing petrol” and a vain attempt to explain it via siphoning. We agree with North & South that it is simply not good enough for the police to say that there is no evidence that Lundy didn’t buy petrol. In fact it is extraordinary. They must produce evidence that he did. That’s how the Justice System has to work.

Does that explain it????

Yep. Cheers for that.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Can actually be done in five hours flat.

[unstuck]

Can actually be done in five hours flat.

Vids or it never happened.

I reckon it could be done in 4 1/2 with a bit of effort.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Vids or it never happened.

I reckon it could be done in 4 1/2 with a bit of effort.

Lol. Wouldn't want the wrong people getting those vids. But my mother lives in Gissy, and it's a trip I make often. Christmas Day was the fastest one I've made, although when my father was about to die suddenly a couple of years ago I got there pretty fucking quickly too. You'd need a motorcycle to get there any faster than 5 flat I feel. I used a 7 series BMW, a super charged XJR Jag, and when dad was dying, a 5.7L SS ute. All good weapons of choice for long fast drives.

[avgas]

Hasn't this subject been hacked to death already?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hasn't this subject been hacked to death already?

Lol. Scuse the pun an all...

[Maha]

Lol. Scuse the pun an all...

Avgas is cleaver like that (pun intended)

[Erelyes]

Avgas is cleaver like that (pun intended)

I think when you add a letter it's fairly obvious you intend the pun.