Mark Lundy - miscarriage of justice?

[Katman]

I was handed a speeding ticket on the way to the Cold Kiwi some years ago. I didn't take any notice of the ticket until later when I noticed that my name, date of birth and license number had been scribbled over the top of someone else's. I decided to defend the charge on the grounds that there was serious question as to who the ticket was actually intended for. (A ticket for 116kph). Knowing this, the police chose to pursue the charge. On the day in court, when I asked him to tell me who else's name was on the ticket, the police officer stated under oath that there was no-one else's name on the ticket and my name had been re-written over my own name because of his pen running out of ink. When I expressed surprise at his response the JP quickly glanced at the ticket and agreed that there was no other name there. She found me guilty.

With one look, the judge at my appeal hearing awarded a rehearing.

The police withdrew the charge and I laid a complaint of perjury.

[pete376403]

Katman, did you complaint get acted upon? Tui moment?

[Katman]

Katman, did you complaint get acted upon? Tui moment?

Supposedly.

I was told they weren't allowed to tell me what form the officer's censure took though.

Hopefully he's still on the Siberia shift.

[Katman]

It got me wondering though just what degree of integrity the justice system has, when a police officer can concoct such a ridiculous story (having had it spelled out to him well before the hearing what my defense was going to be) and then lie under oath - all the while relying on the JP to support his ridiculous story and ignore his blatant lying.

It's a clear example of the police focusing solely on obtaining a conviction without the slightest consideration for any of the details of the case. (And an example of an area of our justice system which the police appear to rely upon to support their dodgy dealings).

[Flip]

I am becomming very concerned that a lot of the Police seem to be corrupt.

They are certanly not the bastions of socioety they once were in NZ.

[oldrider]

I am becomming very concerned that a lot of the Police seem to be corrupt.

They are certanly not the bastions of socioety they once were in NZ.

They are all we have got and we do collectively own the service! - I Don't think anybody else is going to fix it for us either! -

[scumdog]

I am becomming very concerned that a lot of the Police seem to be corrupt.

They are certanly not the bastions of socioety they once were in NZ.

'a lot'?
C'mon Flip, I expected better from you.

(Or has the real Flip been abducted by aliems???)

[Katman]

'a lot'?
C'mon Flip, I expected better from you.

Even one is one too many.

(And I doubt I found New Zealands only corrupt cop).

[FJRider]

Even one is one too many.

Even one suzuki rider that rides like a dickhead is too many ... in ANY group there will be some (even one) that is different to the majority ..

The stupid see the different one as being the same as all the others ... so don't be stupid.

(And I doubt I found New Zealands only corrupt cop).

Reality check ... we really don't care how many you have found.

THEY/He/she found YOU ... which in turn makes US happy.

[husaberg]

Well I do feel a little sympathy for what Katman has wrote happened.
but here's the kicker I have had many speeding tickets.
I can honestly say I deserved every single one of them. Plus many many more.
I have always been polite honest and respectful on the occasions I have been stopped.
The officers are after all are simply doing their job.

Granted around where I live, a number of years back there was a very small element of improper conduct amongst a very small element of the local force.
It made the telly the papers the court of appeals etc.
I noted they were all subsequently driven out of the force.

But just because I found a bad apple in a bag of fruit it doesn't necessarily mean they are all rotten does it?
Just as, if I say got ripped off at a bike dealer, it doesn't mean they are therefor all rip off merchants does it.

The whole legal system is a balancing act but the scales are certainly tipped it the favour of reasonable doubt in NZ.

[Katman]

But just because I found a bad apple in a bag of fruit it doesn't necessarily mean they are all rotten does it?

Have you and FJ been reading a different language?

Where have I said that all cops are corrupt?

[husaberg]

Have you and FJ been reading a different language?

Where have I said that all cops are corrupt?

Never thought you did, but I don't think you can say, one is one to many, esp when the dude who may have wrote your ticket might have had been having the exact same thought about you right before he wrote the ticket for you.
I think your experience as you relayed it actually means the system did eventually work for you.
In the case of Pora I can pretty accurately surmise that he wouldn't have been convicted of rape/murder, if he had not have given a false confession and had the mental acuity to realise what he was doing by giving the false confession.

[Katman]

I think your experience actually means the system did eventually work.

'Eventually' being the operative word - and then only because I was prepared to take the case to the Court of Appeal.

The system has many inherent faults in it.

We have corrupt cops who will lie under oath, we have corrupt JPs (and possibly even judges) who are prepared to support lying cops and we have jury members who actually couldn't give a fuck whether they fulfill their duty to the best possible standard.

There have been numerous high profile cases that have shown considerable police incompetance.

How many small profile cases have seen the defendant similarly shafted?

[husaberg]

'Eventually' being the operative word - and then only because I was prepared to take the case to the Court of Appeal.

The system has many inherent faults in it.

We have corrupt cops who will lie under oath, we have corrupt JPs (and possibly even judges) who are prepared to support lying cops and we have jury members who actually couldn't give a fuck whether they fulfill their duty to the best possible standard.

There have been numerous high profile cases that have shown considerable police incompetance.

How many small profile cases have seen the defendant similarly shafted?

I see a pretty common theme in that they are all human, even yourself.
Unless we are all going to be micro chipped, DNA tested, our every move recorded and audited on our every decision by robots I can't see how that can be fixed.
The fact you have heard of these high profile cases seems to suggest people want to get stuff right.
Processes improve, techniques change, improved protocols are put in place.
There is always going to be corrupt people, idiots and people who do half arsed jobs, But remember not all of them are always corrupt or are all policeman or Judges or juries either, some of them are defendants.

[Flip]

'a lot'?
C'mon Flip, I expected better from you.

(Or has the real Flip been abducted by aliems???)

Scrotes and assholes was a good friend of mine. I am becomming concerned that the standard I would like to see from the rozza is slipping. The media may be pointing out and making examples of the bad apples at the moment but there is no smoke without fire.

The rozza have always been very polite with me, probably because it says known gang associate and has an e cat fire arms licence on my file. I was once searched on the side of the road by some cunty but that was many years ago before I got nasty and old.