4 years for tagger killer

**"D" FZ1** · 13th February 2009, 12:05

If the little shit had been at home in bed where he belonged and not out doing mindless damage to other peoples property he would still be alive today.

**SPman** · 13th February 2009, 12:08

Originally Posted by Reckless

Na I don't agree with the racial slant mr random its about right and wrong not skin colour! In NZ anyway.

That's rather stretching it - if you're white, you're more right, if you're brown, you're down!

**Hitcher** · 13th February 2009, 12:10

Originally Posted by jrandom

Yeah, but there's a lot of sympathy amongst the silent majority in this country for any white man who kills a brown man. Just the way it works, eh.

That certainly appears to be the case in terms of how the Sensible Sentencing Trust comments on things. I think that the circumstances of this case are little different to the drive-by shooting that resulted in the tragic death of Jhia Te Tua.

I disagree with the manslaughter charge in this particular case. The offender took a knife with him which, I believe, was for the purposes of injuring whoever he succeeded in apprehending. On that basis, I think his sentence is more than reasonable.

**Reckless** · 13th February 2009, 12:12

Originally Posted by MisterD

Meanwhile the same sentence is handed down to another 50 yr old for the vicious abuse of Nia Glassie...something isn't right...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10556503

yeh mate you got that right! fuckin stinks! No excuse for abusing a kid! NONE! should be 40 years!

**98tls** · 13th February 2009, 12:13

Originally Posted by SPman

That's rather stretching it - if you're white, you're more right, if you're brown, you're down!

If your brown and have an opinion then it seems your entilted to it if your white and have an opinion your racist,go figure.

**98tls** · 13th February 2009, 12:14

Originally Posted by MisterD

Meanwhile the same sentence is handed down to another 50 yr old for the vicious abuse of Nia Glassie...something isn't right...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10556503

Yea was thinking the same.

**Reckless** · 13th February 2009, 12:17

Originally Posted by SPman

That's rather stretching it - if you're white, you're more right, if you're brown, you're down!

Not what I meant Sp. Don't quite know how you read that into it? I meant skin colour should have nothing whatsoever to do with it.

I actually agree with what Quasi said here

Originally Posted by Quasievil

It however isnt something I can tolerate (ya know one of those things) when Racisit remarks are made, its not a positive thing at all in any regard and I think that way way to many people in NZ let loose with remarks like that (this is not a personal attack dude) far to often. Its Anti Kiwi in my books and if we all say such things this country will go backwards and fast, I dont want that in my country.

**Hitcher** · 13th February 2009, 12:22

Originally Posted by MisterD

Meanwhile the same sentence is handed down to another 50 yr old for the vicious abuse of Nia Glassie...something isn't right...

Chalk and cheese. The two oxygen thieves directly responsible for Nia's death are doing serious jail time. This charge is for a previous assault against Nia, not for causing her death.

**mikeey01** · 13th February 2009, 12:27

Originally Posted by Reckless

We must start finding ways to make parents responsible. Its the only way to break the cycle.

How? ( I don't know the answers, hence the question)

Take this bloke, his parents can't be held responsible can they?

I'm sure this muppett knew the difference between right and wrong, did he take / grab a knife as some form of protection? Was it an accident or a mistake to seek protection with a weapon?
I'd say he knew that a knife can kill, what ever his intentions were, quite simple someone tagged his fence, time and time again and he has taken a life for this! Was it a complete error, holding knife and tagger lunged into him? whatever his intent was.....The fact still remains, a life has been taken because of a some paint, that's so so sad.
No parents should ever have to bury their children, what's sad is so many are haveing too!

There are many parents in this country that don't care, are not interested, have already lost control of their kids long ago.
On the other hand there are many parents that do care, take ownership of and involvement in when it comes to right and wrong, discipline and the like.

I'm not sure if I've got this right, something keeps coming back to it...
It appears the problem starts when kids are young, by the time they are young adults the parents have already lost control, can't do a thing about it and have lost any hope in gaining it again!

It's these teenage years that appear to be the most dangerous, are the most frightening for any parent to go into. (influences, pair pressure aside)

Speaking and asking some questions as a parent here....
Does it matter who and what others kids you allow your child to spend time with and play with? Does it have any influence on their behaviour?
How do the parents among us feel about their children and being selective about who they play with and spend time with?

**Cynos** · 13th February 2009, 12:30

Originally Posted by Finn

In a case like this, what the heck is a prison sentence going to prove? The guy is not a criminal and is no threat to the community (taggers maybe). Home detention would have been a better choice.

The mother of the tagger gets no sympathy from me.

You don't get to kill someone just because they're breaking the law. Otherwise I'm going to start taking potshots at everyone who tailgates me.

**Cynos** · 13th February 2009, 12:33

Originally Posted by jrandom

Yeah, but there's a lot of sympathy amongst the silent majority in this country for any white man who kills a brown man. Just the way it works, eh.

Like how those gang members who shot at a house and killed a two year old got done for murder, whereas this man stabs someone and gets manslaughter. On an unrelated note, if I ever commit a serious crime, I'm going to hire Chris Comesky, 4 years for murder (yeah, yeah, the jury decided manslaughter, which shows how pro Comesky is) is a sweet deal, he'll be out in about 1.5 if he's already spent time in custody.

**MisterD** · 13th February 2009, 12:35

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Chalk and cheese. The two oxygen thieves directly responsible for Nia's death are doing serious jail time. This charge is for a previous assault against Nia, not for causing her death.

In my book he's equally culpable as his sons, I won't accept that his vicious abuse did nothing to set a precedent which lead to the death of Nia...

The death of the tagger was a typical disaster scenario where changing any one of a string of variables (scrotes stayed home, householder grabbed baseball bat, scrotes kept running) would have meant +1 to the current population of worthless scrotes in South Auckland.

**Finn** · 13th February 2009, 12:37

Originally Posted by Cynos

You don't get to kill someone just because they're breaking the law. Otherwise I'm going to start taking potshots at everyone who tailgates me.

No entirely correct. It depends which law they're breaking.

Tagging is probably stretching it a bit but that area of the death is tag free for now. Funny what it takes to get the message across sometimes.

**MisterD** · 13th February 2009, 12:38

Originally Posted by Cynos

Like how those gang members who shot at a house and killed a two year old got done for murder, whereas this man stabs someone and gets manslaughter. On an unrelated note, if I ever commit a serious crime, I'm going to hire Chris Comesky, 4 years for murder (yeah, yeah, the jury decided manslaughter, which shows how pro Comesky is) is a sweet deal, he'll be out in about 1.5 if he's already spent time in custody.

Bollocks. Grabbing a knife might show intent to injure, or intent to wound but if you fire a gun into a house there is a reasonable expectation that anyone hit could well be killed. That is the difference between murder and manslaughter.