4 years for tagger killer

[Cynos]

Bollocks. Grabbing a knife might show intent to injure, or intent to wound That is the difference between murder and manslaughter.

Right, so stabbing someone doesn't show an intent to kill? Don't tell me you believed that "he fell on my knife" rubbish?

[Beemer]

...I disagree with the manslaughter charge in this particular case. The offender took a knife with him which, I believe, was for the purposes of injuring whoever he succeeded in apprehending. On that basis, I think his sentence is more than reasonable.

I can understand where you are coming from there. Still doesn't explain why that prick Curtis got only four years for his part in the murder of Nia Glassie.

[MisterD]

Right, so stabbing someone doesn't show an intent to kill? Don't tell me you believed that "he fell on my knife" rubbish?

You mean you believe that "he was backing away" rubbish the scrote's relative gave as evidence?

I think the taggers ran for a little bit, turned to attack the householder and in the confusion one of them copped the knife in the ribs...that does not equate to murder in my book.

[HenryDorsetCase]

You mean you believe that "he was backing away" rubbish the scrote's relative gave as evidence?

I think the taggers ran for a little bit, turned to attack the householder and in the confusion one of them copped the knife in the ribs...that does not equate to murder in my book.

Good thing the conviction was mans laughter then.



Also, we should have a whip-round and get him a medal he can have when he gets out.

[HenryDorsetCase]

+1

Dont do the crime if you cant do the time, which in this case is 4 years.

A long time on the inside for sure, but 2 wrongs dont make a right, and taking another life for a bit of vandalism is excessive.

I mean, if he had have dealt out a flogging to the tagger with his fists then, ok, maybe - people overreact, but if you go into a fight with a knife, then you are there to kill or maim. He got what he deserves. No more, no less IMO

he won't SERVE 4 years, surely ?

if he has been in custody (has he?) he might get a credit for that, plus he gets time off for good behaviour and he will end up in a min. security facility pretty quick.

He's just like Cameron Poe in the wonderful film "Con-Air", a Jerry Bruckheimer classic.

[Headbanger]

You mean you believe that "he was backing away" rubbish the scrote's relative gave as evidence?

I think the taggers ran for a little bit, turned to attack the householder and in the confusion one of them copped the knife in the ribs...that does not equate to murder in my book.

So, If someone chased you down the street with a knife, You stop and confront him, he manages to stab you in the heart with the knife he had grabbed to stab you with, You die.

You wouldn't consider yourself murdered?

Granted the "backing away" claim is as stupid as the "he ran onto the knife" defence, But neither change the fact an adult used a knife to kill a child.

Knives are a tool for the weak at the best of times, Let alone in the case of this pathetic twat.

[jrandom]

Knives are a tool for the weak at the best of times...

I'd like to see you get a dish of carrots ready for roasting with nothing but spoons and forks.

[MisterD]

So, If someone chased you down the street with a knife, You stop and confront him, he manages to stab you in the heart with the knife he had grabbed to stab you with, You die.

You wouldn't consider yourself murdered?

Granted the "backing away" claim is as stupid as the "he ran onto the knife" defence, But neither change the fact an adult used a knife to kill a child.

Knives are a tool for the weak at the best of times, Let alone in the case of this pathetic twat.

You're setting up a hypothetical situation - why am I being chased, what have I done to provoke it, in what way am I confronting the chaser?

The general pattern with people attacked with knives is defensive wounds to the hands, how has a fat 50yr old got close enough to fatally stab the tagger?

The jury heard the evidence from both sides and came to a verdict - I happen to agree with it, the bloke grabbed a weapon with intent to injure and ended up killing the tagger - that's pretty much a textbook definition of manslaughter.

I also agree with Finn, that locking the bloke in prison serves no good purpose and cost society money for no benefit. Far better to give him home detention and community service.

[Murray]

Far better to give him home detention and community service.

Maybe he could clean up all the tagging around Auckland??? (one way or another)

[enigma51]

I dont have the time to read everyone's comments so i might be repeating

I believe in do the crime do the time but what gets me about this is that the neo glacie case got off lightly where this guy got thrown the book. Home detention etc would have been a more fitting verdict.

[peasea]

I haven't got all the evidence in front of me but glancing at the media jury's expose` I have to say home d probably would have been a tad light. Some time inside is warranted because he took a knife into the street. Sure, he might have thought (in the heat of the moment) that the perps might have had knives etc and we can all sympathise with him getting hot under the collar. These little twats get away with all sorts of shite and the cops are too busy doing the ticket thing to respond in time to nail them. Even if they do nail them the judges are soft cocks. It's the ambualnce at the bottom of the cliff all the bloody time. In all seriousness; I think he got an ok sentence, a shame it had to come to this though. He'll be out and about in less than two years I'd wager.

Playing the race card in serious court cases could be avoided by blindfolding the jury and fitting them with headphones to hear the case read to them. That way skin colour would have no bearing on the case and neither would the accused's accent. Generally speaking it's not hard to pick a Maori, German or Russian accent, is it? If you don't like Ruskies it won't matter if all you can hear is a kiwi reading the blurb.

Right about old man Curtis; he laid the foundation for a lot of the behaviour of his boys I'd say. I'm guessing of course but it's likely there was a cycle in that family that was headed for tragedy eventually. It's just one hell of a shame that a toddler (or any one for that matter) was the victim of some very screwed up people.

How do you MAKE people care? How do you MAKE people think before they act? (Like that twat who picked up a toddler by the head the other day.) Many might say that the tagger got his just desserts but tagging isn't raping old ladies and as a teenager he might, just might, have come out ok in later life; many do.

We'll never know.

What we do know is that one guy will serve some time for the tagger's death and have to live with the consequences of his actions for the rest of his life. He was pushed to his limit, tired of having his property tagged, and some people can be pushed further than others. Given the same situation I would probably have taken a baseball bat but a swing in the wrong direction could see me in the dock on the same charge. "I held the bat up and he ran into it" probably wouldn't stand up as a defence either.

Bottom line? I think the sentence was fair.

[Headbanger]

You're setting up a hypothetical situation - why am I being chased, what have I done to provoke it, in what way am I confronting the chaser?

You don't need a back story, it changes nothing.

Fact is the fat man chased someone with a knife, when they came to a stop he embedded it in his chest and killed him.

Having said that, I'm not fussed if he got done for manslaughter rather then murder, I done worse as a teenager then paint somebodies fence yet don't think I ever done anything bad enough to be killed over.

[XxKiTtiExX]

And you refer to him as a Darkie which makes you a what exactly?

a whitey!!

[jrandom]

a whitey!!

And then there's the whiteys who are only white on the outside...

[1 Free Man]

In a case like this, what the heck is a prison sentence going to prove? The guy is not a criminal and is no threat to the community (taggers maybe). Home detention would have been a better choice.

The mother of the tagger gets no sympathy from me.

Only he big time crim's get home D. If the guy had a "P" business that he had to keep running and couldn't do it from inside he would have got home 'D'. He is just a baggy arse TAGGA STABBA so he don't get it. You see how it works now??? The bigger the crime the easier the time that's the rule of thumb for the justice system.