Trackdays - 3 groups or 4?

[Morcs]

Another point id like to make, shorter sessions are much safer.

I find myself coming into the bits a few laps before the end of a moto tt sessions quite often as my arms feel like falling off.

with relatively intense riding, the longer you go, the more you tire, the more your concerntration lapses, and ultimately, more prone to fucking it up.

[Biggles08]

Another point id like to make, shorter sessions are much safer.

I find myself coming into the bits a few laps before the end of a moto tt sessions quite often as my arms feel like falling off.

with relatively intense riding, the longer you go, the more you tire, the more your concerntration lapses, and ultimately, more prone to fucking it up.

Aww come on Morcs.....you need to take some viagra and HTFU hehe.

Mort....I have been very vocal about the level of your intelligence and from what I have read here I think I am justified is thinking so. I will not let idiots speel on about shit that is not true and you caught the blunt of that fair square in the forehead. I wish you would crawl back into whatever hole you came out of and I would be very happy never to have anything more to do with you. In saying that, I shouldn't have called you names (justified or otherwise) and I will apologies to you for that.... I should let others realize that for themselves.

[Morcs]

Aww come on Morcs.....you need to take some viagra and HTFU hehe.

Mort....I have been very vocal about the level of your intelligence and from what I have read here I think I am justified is thinking so. I will not let idiots speel on about shit that is not true and you caught the blunt of that fair square in the forehead. I wish you would crawl back into whatever hole you came out of and I would be very happy never to have anything more to do with you. In saying that, I shouldn't have called you names (justified or otherwise) and I will apologies to you for that.... I should let others realize that for themselves.

I think you and Mort need to settle this on the track. You on a 600, him on a thousand - it 'appears' fair

[BIGBOSSMAN]

You should go to anger management... you have issues.

Yes, he's never been the same since having a towball inserted in his anus

[Biggles08]

I think you and Mort need to settle this on the track. You on a 600, him on a thousand - it 'appears' fair

ha...as long as they have at least 4 Ambos there parked where Mort can see them...otherwise it may 'appear' unsafe.

[Mort]

ha...as long as they have at least 4 Ambos there parked where Mort can see them...otherwise it may 'appear' unsafe.

I'll settle for 2 thanks... just so long as they are there and everyone knows they are there.... and thanks for the apology.... its good to see you back on your medication.

And for the record, I will discuss safety and track day format issues any time I fucking like. This is an open public forum. If I see issues I will raise them and I will discuss them. It is not whining and whinging and if some people don't know the difference then that is their problem. I don't see why I should be personally abused and threatened because I'm willing to discuss these things nor should I be excluded from raising issues because I don't happen to run my own track day company. I don't believe in "put up or shut up". We all have a right to discuss.

It is meant as a constructive discussion for the good of all including and especially the organiser who may actually value customer feedback (good, bad or otherwise). I support all the trackday organisers in NZ and even in the past 2 years I have seen really good improvements made by these hard working people... long may it continue.

[Morcs]

I'll settle for 2 thanks... just so long as they are there and everyone knows they are there.... and thanks for the apology.... its good to see you back on your medication.

And for the record, I will discuss safety and track day format issues any time I fucking like. This is an open public forum. If I see issues I will raise them and I will discuss them. It is not whining and whinging and if some people don't know the difference then that is their problem. I don't see why I should be personally abused and threatened because I'm willing to discuss these things nor should I be excluded from raising issues because I don't happen to run my own track day company. I don't believe in "put up or shut up". We all have a right to discuss.

It is meant as a constructive discussion for the good of all including and especially the organiser who may actually value customer feedback (good, bad or otherwise). I support all the trackday organisers in NZ and even in the past 2 years I have seen really good improvements made by these hard working people... long may it continue.

But if its slander against a great organisation, and they may lose business for it, thats just not on.

If you want to give customer feedback, contact them direct, dont smear your opinion all over a public forum. Yes it may be a public forum, doesnt mean it isnt slander.

[Biggles08]

I'll settle for 2 thanks... just so long as they are there and everyone knows they are there.... and thanks for the apology.... its good to see you back on your medication.

And for the record, I will discuss safety and track day format issues any time I fucking like. This is an open public forum. If I see issues I will raise them and I will discuss them. It is not whining and whinging and if some people don't know the difference then that is their problem. I don't see why I should be personally abused and threatened because I'm willing to discuss these things nor should I be excluded from raising issues because I don't happen to run my own track day company. I don't believe in "put up or shut up". We all have a right to discuss.

It is meant as a constructive discussion for the good of all including and especially the organiser who may actually value customer feedback (good, bad or otherwise). I support all the trackday organisers in NZ and even in the past 2 years I have seen really good improvements made by these hard working people... long may it continue.

Well you see Mort, MotoTT is one of the original Companies to trail blaze this whole scenario for the rest of the Track day companies that are available today....you seem to forget that wee fact. MotoTT have done SOOOOO much good for the riding community and your head appears to be so far up your own arse that you can't see this. Fair enough if you were concerned about no medical staff...but find out first before you state 'fact' when in 'fact' what you said was slander....if you had asked them about it at the time...or even afterwards you would have realized they were always there.

I have no issues with you prefering 3 groups as opposed to 4 groups and that is a reasonable topic to discuss...but when you inaccurately slander a great organization over important things like safety...you need to be put back in your place!

[Mort]

Well you see Mort, MotoTT is one of the original Companies to trail blaze this whole scenario for the rest of the Track day companies that are available today....you seem to forget that wee fact. MotoTT have done SOOOOO much good for the riding community and your head appears to be so far up your own arse that you can't see this. Fair enough if you were concerned about no medical staff...but find out first before you state 'fact' when in 'fact' what you said was slander....if you had asked them about it at the time...or even afterwards you would have realized they were always there.

I have no issues with you prefering 3 groups as opposed to 4 groups and that is a reasonable topic to discuss...but when you inaccurately slander a great organization over important things like safety...you need to be put back in your place!

I think it's a bit rich YOU writing about slander to me. I suggest you get a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word then read your posts directed at me.

At events in the past MotoTT HAVE run sessions without medical cover. You even said so yourself. That is not slander or a lie. It is a fact.

On the 17th Jan. Ambulances were nowhere to be seen in the morning. I observed them enter the circuit at 12 noon. That is not slander or a lie. It's a fact. I say they were not on the circuit. Others say they were parked elsewhere or were changing shifts. I am prepared to accept that as a POSSIBLE explaination for the fact that they were not there where they normally are and were seen to enter the circuit at 12 noon. That is not a lie. It is not slander. It a fact and a possible explaination for the circumstance.

On the 17th, I did hear the briefing guy state it was OK to stop on circuit and several riders did later. That is not slander or a lie. It's a fact. Its has been said that some of these riders ( 1 of the 4 or 3 of the 4) were marshalls. I can accept that as a possible explaination. But what I have said IS NOT A LIE or slander. It is a fact.

Pillions are permitted. Fact

Stunts have been allowed but were not explicitly prohibited on the 17th verbally or in writing. Fact. I saw no evidence of them being prohibited.... but I saw no stunts on the 17th either. That is not slander or a lie. It's a fact.

The definition of slander is more or less what Biggles has been saying about me on multiple posts. Calling someone a liar when they are not for instance.
You went to great lengths to question and denigrate my intelligence , my motives and honesty in writing in a public place. That is the true definition of slander if ever I saw it. I have never done this with MotoTT. I have stated my observations and accepted explainations as a reasonable person would.

Here's another observation Biggles. You clearly do not have the cognative powers to understand a word I am saying. You demonstrate no abilities of comprehension or understanding. Your responses must come from that part of your brain that was last used by cavemen and evidently you give every appearance of being a direct male-line decendant of some sort of long extinct ape. You would appear to have similar mental faculties and abilities when you react to some sort of percieved threat to your belief system. Agression, threats, abuse. You find it impossible to seperate me raising legitimate discussion points about safety from your personal belief that MotoTT are sainted angels placed on gods earth run track days for the faithful and can do no wrong whatsoever.

What I said stands. I have every right to raise safety points for discussion perceived or otherwise and I am totally willing to accept explainations or even corrections. What is unacceptable is the slander coming my way from you.

Now go back to your cave and shut the fuck up.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Here's another observation Biggles. You clearly do not have the cognative powers to understand a word I am saying. You demonstrate no abilities of comprehension or understanding. Your responses must come from that part of your brain that was last used by cavemen and evidently you give every appearance of being a direct male-line decendant of some sort of long extinct ape.

Interestingly, he is strikingly similar in appearance and mentality to a Gibbon but appears to be larger; more akin in size to a Barbary Ape. Because of the horrific accident his asshole looks very similar to a Baboon in heat (picture attached).


Would you like to know more?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Macaque

[FROSTY:Me]

Well you see Mort, MotoTT is one of the original Companies to trail blaze this whole scenario for the rest of the Track day companies that are available today

Hey um mate sorry to argue a point here but actually it was the Kiwibiker trackdays that blazed the trail.
When I started NOONE was running trackdays like we know them today.
The best was the Kiwi Rider mag trackdays which were bloody good but very limited flaggies
The guys from MotoTT copied my format which is fantastic.

[Morcs]

Hey um mate sorry to argue a point here but actually it was the Kiwibiker trackdays that blazed the trail.
When I started NOONE was running trackdays like we know them today.
The best was the Kiwi Rider mag trackdays which were bloody good but very limited flaggies
The guys from MotoTT copied my format which is fantastic.

Tony, maybe you should tell Mort just how difficult it is to organise and run a trackday. He might have some appreciation then.

[FROSTY:Me]

Tony, maybe you should tell Mort just how difficult it is to organise and run a trackday. He might have some appreciation then.

Why?? --seriously mate it aint worth the breath.
Dya mean the sleepless nights worrying. Dya mean the months of organising and chasing up .
Dya mean the constant fear you've forgotten "something " that might mean someone miught get hurt.
Or is it the feeling of "why do I bother?" when a few decide to fuck it up for the many.
No for definite the hardest thing is when you are doing something for pure love of the sport and get trashed by someone that has NO apreciation of how delicate the track day scene is in NZ and how easilly people like insurers can pull their support.

[Dooly]

Hey Biggles & Morc will you guys be at Taupo on Friday.
I'd sure like to watch you 2 get together.........

[Mort]

Tony, maybe you should tell Mort just how difficult it is to organise and run a trackday. He might have some appreciation then.

If you were the first then good on you Frosty and many here hope to see you back soon.

Morcs - Are you suggesting I should show my appreciation by staying silent about safety issues ? I "appreciate" track day organisers for all their hard work and dedication. Don't confuse the issue with sentiment. I say again... and for the final time.... This is not about slagging off (or slandering) MotoTT. It is about discussing safety issues... well actually I started by opening a discussion on 3 or 4 group events and which was better.