Trackdays - 3 groups or 4?

[koba]

This is an open public forum. If I see issues I will raise them and I will discuss them.

It is meant as a constructive discussion for the good of all including and especially the organiser who may actually value customer feedback (good, bad or otherwise).

Make sure you whinge to directly to them too, aye

[Mort]

another cage rattled then

[jrandom]

Wendy Bennett- extreme pillion, amd loving it.

Amen, you tell 'em, Wendy!

Mort, why don't you just flag these terribly-flawed trackdays that bother you so much, and do some Clubmans racing? PMCC have the final round of their summer series at the full Taupo track on 5 April.

If you can do 1:45s or better on that mighty thousand-cc beast of yours you should find plenty of peeps to play with on the grid.

[DaddyK]

I've thought about what you have said Wendy. You are right and I am wrong and I apologise. Whilst I don't agree a track day is a place to practice pillion riding, I can recall that there was no problem whatsoever with your riding (or your husband for that matter). Personally, when I first saw pillions on a track day I thought it perhaps hazardous. But, if they know what they are doing (which you pair do) , then fair enough... and good on you for giving it a go. I am sorry.

Thanks for that.

Wendy

[Mort]

Mort, why don't you just flag these terribly-flawed trackdays that bother you so much..

Ha.... Don't blow it out of proportion.... I enjoy trackdays and have done heaps over the past 10 years or so.... for me its the best way to get the best out of your riding.... think I'm a bit old for starting racing....

[Biggles08]

I've thought about what you have said Wendy. You are right and I am wrong and I apologise. Whilst I don't agree a track day is a place to practice pillion riding, I can recall that there was no problem whatsoever with your riding (or your husband for that matter). Personally, when I first saw pillions on a track day I thought it perhaps hazardous. But, if they know what they are doing (which you pair do) , then fair enough... and good on you for giving it a go. I am sorry.

And the truth slowly appears from behind the dark clouds of Morts smokescreen. Well said Mort......now have a wee think again about the accusations you made about MotoTT and their safety procedures (Ambos etc)...then maybe we can all get back to talking about your original question which was 3 groups vs 4 groups (which I might add is a worthwhile discussion).

[Mort]

yep.... I've had a "wee think" and I have absolutely nothing to add on those points but would be glad to hear your opnions on the original subject of 3 or 4 groups

[sinfull]

think I'm a bit old for starting racing....

Oi ! What are you saying here ? Hahaha Bowls can wait brotha !

[Mort]

Oi ! What are you saying here ? Hahaha Bowls can wait brotha !

Oh god.... wrong again !!!!

But you told me you were 23 Bill.....

[sinfull]

Oh god.... wrong again !!!!

But you told me you were 23 Bill.....

Positive affermations ! Or is that denial ? Haha whichever, but i know i feel 23 when i go out for the first session at the track and 60 somefuckinthing when i wake up the next day lol !

[Biggles08]

yep.... I've had a "wee think" and I have absolutely nothing to add on those points but would be glad to hear your opnions on the original subject of 3 or 4 groups

Well funny enough I have just recently done a kiwi track day at taupo which was a 3 group day and I actually think on this particular day I got less time on the track!? Granted it was due to unforseen circumstances such as an ambulance going on the track to pick up a guy that when I rode past before leaving the track was standing beside his bike....that was a bit weird?! I think what happened was he lay beside his bike for a while before getting up which alerted the ambo boys (or girls) to go out....and when they had already left the pit area he got up...so they were commited to going out.

Then after lining up on the dummy grid waiting to go back out a biker was still screaming around the track all by himself not coming in! Apparently the last flag marshall had comms problems and was waving a yellow flag instead of a red one so the biker kept going round!!!! lol...must have wondered where everyone had gone?!?!

So we were waiting in on the dummy grid for a good 15 minutes while they sorted that out.

I'm a fan of 4 groups personally just because when you only have 3 groups you get a lot of 'slower' riders in the 'fast' group which tend to get stroppy when you overtake them at a great rate of knots. One guy got all stroppy with my mate and me for overtaking him after a red flag had been shown (the incident refered to above)...yes we shouldn't have but we were miles away from the incident AND miles away from him AND going very slow...still, we shouldn't have but he was one of these 'slower' riders in the fast group I'm refering to.

Other than that I had a great time at Steves Track day and will certainly do some more

My 2c worth anyway.

[Mort]

well... Merde happens as they say..... how was the wet resin ?

[CHOPPA]

I reckon in the interest of safty there should be a approx 115% rule in each group....

Also passing on the inside is safer then passing people round the outside i think.

3 groups or 4 doesnt really bother me, im at a track day to ride with mates other wise id go to a test day where i can ride all day for $80

[Mort]

what do you mean by 115% rule ?

Agree on the inside passing rule if it is done with a clear speed advantage...

[sinfull]

I reckon in the interest of safty there should be a approx 115% rule in each group....

Also passing on the inside is safer then passing people round the outside i think.

3 groups or 4 doesnt really bother me, im at a track day to ride with mates other wise id go to a test day where i can ride all day for $80

what do you mean by 115% rule ?

Agree on the inside passing rule if it is done with a clear speed advantage...

A shut off point where your lap time won't allow ya in that group worked on averages of all the rider times ! As used in the nats quallifying for example !
Wouldn't work unfortunately (would be a great guage for ppl to figure what group they should be in at trackdays) but it's a stipulation of the insurance companies that the trackday co. enforce a no timing devices rule !
Don't see the point really, as if someone is timing themselves, it's because they're working to reduce lap times for competition purposes (most cases that is), where they're gonna lose their insurance anyway !