My mate binned with no jacket = hospital ! (Rules for pillions)

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Maybe you should get some photos of his injurys and post in this thread to remind some of the idiots out there at the moment why you should wear all the gear all the time.

I seen a guy the other day going around the waterfront on a busa with jeans and singlet.

[Blossom]

Add these to the list of rules..
Do NOT sleep on the back of the bike.
(of course this does not apply if pillion can fit snuggly between pack rack and bag)

Do not talk to the nice police officer when/if bike gets pulled over.

[NordieBoy]

WHAT ELSE SHOULD WE BE TELLING PILLIONS TO DO OR NOT TO DO?

Don't stand on the pillion pegs holding the riders shoulders whilst going up firebreaks out pig hunting.
You may feel good but the rider is shitting themselves.



You also learn a bit about pillioning when you do an MX race 2-up.

[WolfCollared]

Sit down... hang on....shut up....go where i go...i dont care if its scary to lean...your coming with me.

I can manage if they force themselves upright for the corner...its when they lean in with you then try stay upright that you get in the shit.

Skidmark you are more scared of working full time than riding!

No gear = no ride simple shit.

And if you arent experienced with a pillion on the back, practise on grass first, and learn about what happens when they panic.

[ajturbo]

Sit down... hang on....shut up....go where i go...i dont care if its scary to lean...your coming with me.

I can manage if they force themselves upright for the corner...its when they lean in with you then try stay upright that you get in the shit.

fuck.. you should try it with luke on the back... he tries to get his knee down!!!!

but i must admit, it DID save my bum, when i once (yes ONCE...yer right) over cooked an over taking manuvour on a truck... wooops far tooo fast for corner.... not... going... to... make.... it........ WTF, bike on it's peg and luke going YEEE HAAAA on the back....get to th etop of the hill, him ripping his helmet off,, to say..." hey dad.. got my knee down on that corner........"

err.. luke, your NOT suppose to do that on the back....

didn't tell him that if he hadn't of done it, he would have had a crash course in flying over a cliff....

[Maha]

And if you arent experienced with a pillion on the back, practise on grass first, and learn about what happens when they panic.

Practise on grass? not an ideal substitute for the road really is it?
A knew pillion would probably panic (if at all) at the first lean. I wouldn't want to try and simulate the lean angle on on the road, on the grass.


First time I pillioned (never done it before) Anne got on the back and it was straight onto the road. A few 100 meters down the road she moved, yes I felt it .... I wasn't that put off by the sudden twitch of the bike, when we stopped, she asked if I felt it when she moved? and then explained to me that, thats what it feels like when a pillion moves.

But yeah, a pillion will have all the gear or, no ride.

[ajturbo]

i know about grass and passenger and them leaning = bike on top of us both..... and us not being able to get it off.. due to the amount of laughing.... Oh and beer that was drunk before hand.....
(NOTICE i was NOT on the road!!!! but in a paddock!!!)

[NordieBoy]

i know about grass and passenger and them leaning = bike on top of us both..... and us not being able to get it off.. due to the amount of laughing.... Oh and beer that was drunk before hand.....
(NOTICE i was NOT on the road!!!! but in a paddock!!!)

Grandfa's TS125 and I was about 10 or 11 at the time and no drink involved.
I was riding and had little sis on the tank and 2 little bro's on the back.
ALL leaned into the turn on the wet lawn to much grownup hilarity

[oldrider]

There is such a selection of good gear today reasonably priced and readily available, why would anyone not wear it?

Freedom of choice sure but it is the measure of intelectual decision making in the end.

Learning the hard way is called "The school of hard knocks" if you qualify you are probably still alive, in some form or other! John.

[CookMySock]

1.) DO NOT TOUCH THE RIDER! The rider is BUSY and would NOT like to be distracted! Hold onto the handrail behind the seat and lean back when we are braking. Lean forward when we accelerate, but try not to bump your helmet against mine, or my back. If you want to stop, wait until we are on a straight piece of road and hold the palm of your hand up vertically, and don't put it down.

2.) We are not going to fall off. If you are scared, see rule number one and look down at your crotch and think about crotches, and don't wriggle. We are not going to fall off, so no paniccing, kthx. When you have a free hand, give the rider the "slow down please" handsign.

3.) If you have to wriggle to get comfy, do it while we're in a straight line, NOT IN A CORNER.

4.) If you are enjoying your ride, you are welcome to get involved - when we corner to the right, lightly grip the hand rail with your left hand, put your right hand on your right knee, poke your right knee out about 45 degrees - you may offer your right shoulder out toward the corner, unless I ask you not to. When we swap to a left corner, rinse-and-repeat but opposite for the left. Do it, and all other movements, in one continuous very smooth motion. If you don't want to, then that is perfectly ok - please just sit still and refer to rule number 2 if necessary.

5.) If I raise my hand in a "no no" motion, that means DONT DO that thing you just did.

Note to self: It takes quite a while to learn how to pillion. Let them settle in, and don't scare them. yet.

Further note to self: yes, said pillion is very cute indeed, and I do not want to see her blood, hair, and bone on the road, so don't be an arse.

Steve

[Mom]

4.) If you are enjoying your ride, you are welcome to get involved - when we corner to the right, lightly grip the hand rail with your left hand, put your right hand on your right knee, poke your right knee out about 45 degrees - you may offer your right shoulder out toward the corner, unless I ask you not to. When we swap to a left corner, rinse-and-repeat but opposite for the left. Do it, and all other movements, in one continuous very smooth motion. If you don't want to, then that is perfectly ok - please just sit still and refer to rule number 2 if necessary.

Steve

Possibly the silliest advice I have ever seen regarding a pillion ever.

A pillion is a passive passenger and has no control over the motorcycle at all. Never should a pillion be advised to lean/knee out or any other kind of active involvement in the ride.

I carried pillions for years and would have promptly stopped and told them to get off if any of them had attempted to control my bike for me, or even with me.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

4.) If you are enjoying your ride, you are welcome to get involved - when we corner to the right, lightly grip the hand rail with your left hand, put your right hand on your right knee, poke your right knee out about 45 degrees - you may offer your right shoulder out toward the corner, unless I ask you not to. When we swap to a left corner, rinse-and-repeat but opposite for the left. Do it, and all other movements, in one continuous very smooth motion. If you don't want to, then that is perfectly ok - please just sit still and refer to rule number 2 if necessary.

WTF... you trying to get them both killed... the pillion should never ever have anything to do with the control of the bike... and during the corner the pillion should act like a sack of spuds tied to the pack rack, which is just lean with the bike... nothing more nothing less

I had one pillion try and add controll to the bike, he tried making the bike go sharper into the corner, and the corner was an opening sweeper... he nearly got us both killed as he does not have the line of sight around the corner you as the rider has, nor can he feel the bars and what the actual bike is doing...

He ended up walkingthe 20k's home...

[Hitcher]

4.) If you are enjoying your ride, you are welcome to get involved - when we corner to the right, lightly grip the hand rail with your left hand, put your right hand on your right knee, poke your right knee out about 45 degrees - you may offer your right shoulder out toward the corner, unless I ask you not to. When we swap to a left corner, rinse-and-repeat but opposite for the left. Do it, and all other movements, in one continuous very smooth motion. If you don't want to, then that is perfectly ok - please just sit still and refer to rule number 2 if necessary.

Bugger me. You cannot be serious?

[jrandom]

Bugger me. You cannot be serious?

No, I think he's pretty much just making it up on the spot as he types.

And to think that it'll be another month or two before I can absorb enough infraction points to chase him away again.

[Hitcher]

Even with a fully VOX enabled intercom and with a professional rider as a pillion, I would not contemplate giving a pillion such a mandate. Pillions can steer the bike anyway, should they so choose (and if they know how). Their role is to be passive sprung weight. The less intellect and effort they apply to their riding experience, the better.