Selfishness before integrity (another rant)

[MotoGirl]

It never fails to astound me how so many people are prepared to shaft others before they will sacrifice anything to get themselves out of the shit.

This topic springs to mind because I currently know a few people who are struggling financially. When I say this I am referring to not making debt repayments and sinking their businesses into such a state that it’s almost inevitable that its investors will lose their money. You know things are serious when guarantors will be called upon.

The parties I’m thinking of regularly call themselves “broke” and “going under”, yet they still manage to:

• Take their motorcycles on long distance jaunts and visit local attractions (winery tours and the like)
• Dine out at expensive restaurants
• Stay at fancy hotels at least once a month, costing over $180 a night
• Drink heavily, smoke and use drugs regularly.

I understand that people can get so overwhelmed with debt that they can’t see a way out of it. But honestly, losing someone else’s money when you can do something to avoid it?

I just can’t comprehend how anyone can be in the crap and have such disregard for their investors’ money. Talk about lack of integrity. These people generally own loads of toys and are too selfish to sacrifice them to reduce debt (and therefore, decrease the chance of losing someone else's money). I mean, why should they when someone else will foot the bill, right?

Toys can be replaced when the situation improves but any bitterness caused by shafting people can last a lifetime. People refusing to take any accountability for their actions just makes my blood boil...

[gammaguy]

its called the "im alright jack"mentality

it sucks alright,and it seems to very prevelant in this selfish society we jokingly refer to as civilised society.

i think it stems from peoples desire to appear succesful in a material way to make up for other deficiencies in their life.

[Quailboy]

Some probably find it hard to accept they are in financial trouble, and can't bring themselves to give up some of their luxuries and wants.

I know many people where their image or how they want to be perceived by others overrides the realities of their bad (mostly financial) situation.

[Grizzo]

Yeah you are right, but best not to worry yourself to much about it.

This class of human is called a leech.

[reofix]

these recessionary events are required on a regular basis to weed out the weak , the crooked and the smug... god love evolution

[Edbear]

its called the "im alright jack"mentality

it sucks alright,and it seems to very prevelant in this selfish society we jokingly refer to as civilised society.i think it stems from peoples desire to appear succesful in a material way to make up for other deficiencies in their life.

Mmmmmm! Is "civilised society" an oxymoron?

[gammaguy]

Mmmmmm! Is "civilised society" an oxymoron?

yep,it sure is

[MotoGirl]

Some probably find it hard to accept they are in financial trouble, and can't bring themselves to give up some of their luxuries and wants.

I know many people where their image or how they want to be perceived by others overrides the realities of their bad (mostly financial) situation.

I think you've hit the nail on the head!

I am aware of at least one person who feels he needs to impress someone and this involves socialising with the "well-off" cliche to maintain his image, albeit at the expense of making his mortgage repayments.

I find the most annoying part is the inconsistency between what people practice and what they preach.

[MotoGirl]

i think it stems from peoples desire to appear succesful in a material way to make up for other deficiencies in their life.

Yes. These people are the ones who have to better everything you do, even if they don't have the income to support it. If you buy another car, they have to get a new car that's better.

[gammaguy]

we are assuming this is based on a true story?

[firecracker]

I was thinking just the other day that the old 'normal seems to have become the new 'abnormal' in terms of integrity and how people handle themselves and relate to others.

The notion of ‘disposable’ has become all too engrained into the western psyche and a few of it’s ugly sisters are called selfishness and ill regard for others.

Ironically, it's often the one's who appear to be well off that are out doing the stuff you’ve mentioned despite the fact that they're financially up the fucking cactus without so much as a shagged Shute to get down with.

What happened to the cheeky little things like sacrifice, responsibility and accountability?

If you can't pay for it or save for it, you bloody can't have it.

[MotoGirl]

we are assuming this is based on a true story?

Yup, unfortunately these arseholes actually exist!

[MotoGirl]

What happened to the cheeky little things like sacrifice, responsibility and accountability?

That's a bloody fantastic post!

Your point above is what really gets to me. Some people just get handed everything on a platter without having to work for it. They then assume that they are entitled to do whatever they want with said money, regardless of the original arrangement.

This is the case with someone I know who was given a large sum of money. Normal people sacrifice something to get what they want; for example, Cajun and I didn't ride our bikes for six months while we saved for a house deposit. If you don't sacrifice anything and are just given everything, how do you learn the value of what you've got?

[gammaguy]

just about everything we do is based on our value system,and not just financial values.

some think it is fine to lie,steal,cheat,be violent,whatever,to get what they want.

it all starts with our upbringing,and ironically that seems to be where the problems start.

some of us work hard to get ahead(i know i do)while others think it is perfectly acceptable to take short cuts no matter who they step over.

What is the answer?

well we need a society that rewards hard work and values for a start.

so far it seems all we reward is those that"get away with it"

we have a lot of social engineering to do to get back on the right track IMHO

there are no quick answers.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

With you Motogirl. It never ceased to amaze me how or why folk can put money and possessions before people. To think if I was a lying, cheating, psychopath like my ex husband - I would be sitting well financially today. But hey I know I'm honest and have a conscience - I have peace and serenity something he will never have. But yes it pisses you off that they get away with it.

It is quite easy to go bankrupt and start up again.