Stroud makes a stand!

[Number One]

ANd one more thing....some of those backmarkers bring family and friends with them who spend money in the community - so why should ONLY the big names get an enticement to 'show up'...seems to me that everyone on the track is providing entertainment for the punters...not just the guys at the front cleaning up all the prize money.

ALSO how many people do you think showed up to watch Trashy and or Flame for that matter....how much prize money did they take home? I would put money on their tyre bills not being covered.

[Kickaha]

ALSO how many people do you think showed up to watch Trashy and or Flame for that matter..

Probably more than turned up to watch Stroud

[Nasty]

The last few times I went to Paeroa was well over ten years ago, it's grown a lot!

2007 15,000 people attended @ $20ea $300,000.00

The organisers give a percentage of this take to all the supporters, helpers etc, cover associated costs to setup, run and tear down after the event. The rest goes into the local community.
They bill this event as “The biggest event of the year!!” in their local visitors info.

For a win, Scale A $500 (king of the streets, formula Paeroa) , Scale B $400( pre 82, formula 2 etc)
So the guys aren't doing it for the money then.
As with all other forms of motorcycle racing in NZ it's for the love of the sport.

This years public entry fee is $25, based on 07 attendances $375,000.00

The event is now that big it could easily afford to cover some costs for the top guys.
Easily pay the entry fee for the other guys.
It could also afford to double the prize money.
All this and it would still have a positive financial return and pour funds back into the community.

Rider entry fee per class $90 + medical fee of $10.

As I originally said it's greed on the organisers behalf! (pptrust@xtra.co.nz)
If they are not careful it'll become a victim of it's own success and become so huge it'll have to be moved to Hamilton!

Sound all well and good ... but I would like to know the actual costs of running the event ... because at Vic we have far more expenses than you allowed for ... and I know these guys have even more being that they also have to have all the council stuff as well as the normal. Two days of volunteers and associated costs ... track timing and all that ... and all the other unheard ofs not on your list.

[mikeey01]

Right on No1 I like the logic!

Like I said....

"It's a sport for christs sake, give them Gladiators some, hell they deserve every cent.

Organisers (greedy bastards) (in Paeroas case, the PP council) see it as a way of making money, vast sums of it!
Long ago the event only existed to promote Paeroa, if it covered costs and hopefully make a little money along the way, well in good.
As for now I'll leave that one up to you.

I think it could become a victim of it's own success though and end going to a big city!

ALL of those Gladiators deserve more, tight pricks!
Still the racers come each year and race for the love, so I guess they figure no one's complaining why bother, till now perhaps?

Andrews a fairly levelled headed bloke, he does think of others too.
Still I'm wondering if he mentioned his concerns across the board, for all racers as well as his own and the journo, doing what journos do best... only took from it what they wanted.

[puddytat]

We're just going to have to be patient.....with global warming just kicking in, in about 10-20 years time ,there'll be more Aussies livin' here than in Oz,& half the planet will be looking for a place to live, & they'll bring all thier wealth with them...We are going to be swimming in money while the ones left over there will be swimmin' for there lives...

[Number One]

probably more than turned up to watch stroud

my point exactly! Don't get me wrong Stroudy and the other top guys are fricken awesome to watch but to say that without him/other heavy weight racers showing up the number of punters would dwindle to nothing is a bit well to be honest bollocks.

[mikeey01]

Sound all well and good ... but I would like to know the actual costs of running the event ... because at Vic we have far more expenses than you allowed for ... and I know these guys have even more being that they also have to have all the council stuff as well as the normal. Two days of volunteers and associated costs ... track timing and all that ... and all the other unheard ofs not on your list.

Umm am I missing something here? I'm not sure where your going with it.
Did I mention all costings to run this event? Nope!

Track timing costs are partially covered by the racers, it's costs them $30 to have a transponder.
(Source http://www.battleofthestreets.co.nz/pdf/entry09.pdf)
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Nor did I mention up to now, sponsors and the funds, man power and advertising they provide. This event for 09 used 72 clubs & businesses.

The event is run by PAEROA PROMOTIONS TRUST INC, like many trusts it uses volunteers to run events, of course logic suggests a volunteer is always going to be cheaper than paying someone out right, I'm sure you would understand and have some understanding of the value volunteers would have in an event this size, right?
They do pay their volunteers I might add.

Yes their costs are not cheap and they have to deal with more than the normal, closing a sate highway is not cheap! Some of their actual event costs would not be cheap either.

Still at the end of the day, after all the money is in, all the costs are covered and the bottom line profit figure is calculated what is the racers percentage of that? It's still only a decimal place!
Remember they are the ones who pay to race, we are the ones who pay to watch and the organisers are the ones who take the profit, it can't be put any simpler than that!

In fifteen meetings they have returned back to the community $350,315.00 (source http://www.battleofthestreets.co.nz/history.asp)

It's a great event, a good day out and a dam good street circuit to watch! I really do feel for the racers though, they should be giving them more!

[Shaun P]

Here's what the aussies now have for prize money this season run by a promoter for comparison

Prize money

Superbike per round $8025.00

1st $1500
2nd $1000
3rd $750
4th $475
5th $450
6th $425
7th $400
8th $375
9th $350
10 - 20th $200

Overall Championship Prize money $9500

1st $5000
2nd $2750
3rd $1750



Supersport per round - $7050.00

1st $1000
2nd $750
3rd $600
4th $500
5th $450
6th $425
7th $400
8th $375
9th $350
10th - 20th $200

Overall Championship Prize money - $7500

1st $4000
2nd $2500
3rd $1000



Superstock 1000 per round - $3100
B-grade

1st $750
2nd 500
3rd 300
C & D grade
1st $750
2nd 500
3rd 300




Superstock 600 per round - $1550
C & D grade

1st $750
2nd 500
3rd 300



125 GP per round - $3000

1st $1000
2nd $750
3rd $550
4th $400
5th $300



250 4- stroke per round - $1250

1st $600
2nd $400
3rd $250




FZ6 Masters/Historics/Sidecars per round - $1500

1st $500
2nd $400
3rd $300
4th $200
5th $100



Juniors per round - Prizes only

[cowpoos]

ALSO I find it a little on the nose to think that those who are most likely to walk away with the big prize money believe they should be paid JUST TO SHOW UP. Like WT said - everyone is giving it their all and pushing. How much money do ya need when you get things so cheaply to begin with...what about all the guys/girls who show up pretty much knowing they are going to walk away with nothing but a smile on their dials having had a great day who also happen to pay full price for all the bits and bobs that keep them racing.

I agree that if anything should change the prize money should be upped and spread further.

Just my opinion

There is no big prize money...and no doubt that top guys get there gear cheap/free...but

the majority of people are actually there to see the top guys fight it out...the guys behind them are a little bit slower...and not quite as exciting...but still good to watch...then the guys after them...much much slower...and not that exciting to watch. the people watching these races will watch other races...and know what fast is they will watch racing on tele and other events without a doubt...take the fast guys away...I bet ya people won't show...

The prize money has to be seriously upped!! 3k for a win...and filter right through the top ten at a decreasing rate!! they can't say that can't afford it...look at the figures someone else quoted on this thread.

Hell sometimes the faster people take the slower ones out...sounds pretty darned risky to me.

The slowest riders are by far the most dangerous people on the track...the fast riders biggest fear is hitting one..because the speed differential is sooo great...marshels should blue flag or even black flag slow guys on the streets much more than they do.

Organisers (greedy bastards) see it as a way of making money, vast sums of it!
Long ago the event only existed to promote Paeroa, if it covered costs and hopefully make a little money along the way, well in good.
As for now I'll leave that one up to you.

They do give alot of it away for charity...why don't they look after the reason they have the show to start with...BTW...no one has mention the advertising revenue they may make...

I'm still wondering if he mentioned his concerns across the board for all as well as what has been printed and the journo, doing what journos do best only took from it what they wanted.

Ditto

[Number One]

Ttake the fast guys away...I bet ya people won't show...

I'm genuinely interested to know then WHO chose to NOT go to Paeroa due to Stroudy not being there?

The prize money has to be seriously upped!! 3k for a win...and filter right through the top ten at a decreasing rate!! they can't say that can't afford it...look at the figures someone else quoted on this thread.

Heck yes!

The slowest riders are by far the most dangerous people on the track...the fast riders biggest fear is hitting one..because the speed differential is sooo great...marshels should blue flag or even black flag slow guys on the streets much more than they do. o

I totally agree with this

The thing is though slow or not they bring people with them who are keen to see them out there...and it is all money in the pockets of the organisers.

I SAY GIVE MORE MONEY FOR PRIZES AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM ALL TO SHOW UP! Some people travel from a fair distance to come + they pay entry fees + accomodation + food and stuff for the time they are there. Someone is winning out of all this and it's the racers I think that are dipping out.

[cowpoos]

I'm genuinely interested to know then WHO chose to NOT go to Paeroa due to Stroudy not being there?

Drop the top 4-5 riders out of each main class...I'd give the event 3-4 years before its dead

[Number One]

Drop the top 4-5 riders out of each main class...I'd give the event 3-4 years before its dead

But again WHO decided not to go because Stroudy wasn't there AND so far it would seem that only Stroud is saying that he won't show because he isn't being offered an appearance fee. Is that to say that the top 4/5 riders in each class all feel the same? I'm sure they wouldn't be disappointed to be offered a fee but are they saying they won't show unless they get this? The street races are pretty cool and from what I hear they all enjoy them immensely

[Kickaha]

Here's what the aussies now have for prize money this season run by a promoter for comparison

And as a fair comparison what do they pay for entries, insurance, and licence

Drop the top 4-5 riders out of each main class...I'd give the event 3-4 years before its dead

I think you're dreaming, people will go to the racing regardless so long as there is good racing even if it is the "no names"

But again WHO decided not to go because Stroudy wasn't there

Hard to prove, but my uneducated guess is pretty much no one

[cowpoos]

AND so far it would seem that only Stroud is saying that he won't show because

Craig Shirrifs doesn't like racing the streets either...he has said it publically a few times on teli.

I don't think people on here realise how much of a pull these top riders are... its no secret that I have throw spanners for stroud a number times...we get huge volumes of people stopping for auotgraphes and posters/photo's etc...hes a house hold ledgend. and the same goes for the other top riders.

How many guys go get Kickaha autograph in previous seasons [I say pervious because they 4th in champs sofar this year]

The people that are passionate about racing will still go...your right Kick...but so so so many people won't be as interested...TV crews won't care so much...and it will be down hill from there...

[Shaun P]

And as a fair comparison what do they pay for entries, insurance, and licence

Senior National Licence is $265 per year

Senior Club Licence is $230 per year

+ you need ambulance cover @ around $50

Entry Fees

$495 x Superbikes (includes Friday practice)
$480 x Supersports (includes Friday practice)
$440 x 125/250 4-stroke (includes Friday practice)
$340 x Superstock 1000s
$340 x Superstock 600s
$310 x Juniors
$340 x FZ6 Masters
$340 x Historics
$400 x Sidecars
$120 Cross Entries for all eligible classes