Round 5 of NZ Superbikes may be canned?

**Billy** · 2nd March 2009, 18:31

Originally Posted by Tony.OK

Why does every thread need to turn into a slagging match?

Its seems too many people worry too much about what others can and can't do.....................who gives a fuck!
If you want to race Nats...........go ahead.............if ya don't.......then don't.

Good point Tony.It started on page 1 of this thread with 1 or 2 self confessed experts slagging MNZ for the fact that here are such small numbers at the nationals.I would have thought it would have been more of an issue for someone in your position whos showing some good form early in your career.The ramifications if MNZ decide its not worth the effort of running a National series that nobody turns up too are huge.Ask Stroudy sometime about how much harder it is to secure big money sponsors to compete at WSBK level without being a NZ champ and in some cases eligibility too race at world championship level require you too be your National champ.Hows that gonna work for you younger guys if there is no championship

**scracha** · 2nd March 2009, 20:14

Originally Posted by Billy

Hows that gonna work for you younger guys if there is no championship

They'll bugger of to Australia/States/Japan/Europe.... Yikes.

Oh..and comparing lap times to 10/20 years ago isn't useful at all.

**Ozzy27** · 2nd March 2009, 20:22

Originally Posted by scracha

They'll bugger of to Australia/States/Japan/Europe.... Yikes.

Or back to Scotland(what a shame)

Oh..and comparing lap times to 10/20 years ago isn't useful at all.

Yeah it makes all the guys look really slow with the advancement in tires, Suspension ect!!

**Billy** · 2nd March 2009, 20:32

Originally Posted by scracha

They'll bugger of to Australia/States/Japan/Europe.... Yikes.

Of course.Cause theres teams all over the world lining up to sign riders from such prestigious Championships as the Actrix,Pacific and Protecta series.Bwahahahahaha

**Dom** · 2nd March 2009, 20:41

Originally Posted by Billy

Of course.Cause theres teams all over the world lining up to sign riders from such prestigious Championships as the Actrix,Pacific and Protecta series.Bwahahahahaha

Billy, don't forget our world renowned King of Ruapuna.

**Billy** · 2nd March 2009, 20:56

Originally Posted by Dom

Billy, don't forget our world renowned King of Ruapuna.

Oh yea,That 1 too sorry!

**Tony.OK** · 2nd March 2009, 22:12

Originally Posted by Billy

Hows that gonna work for you younger guys if there is no championship

Now thats cheered me up no end hahaa

..........I was depressed about turning 37 this year

Being my 1st year racing I've started a tad late to be thinking I might be competing for a title, and Pres Bush has screwed up my extra income that has been paying for my assault on the top boys

**Shaun P** · 2nd March 2009, 23:37

Originally Posted by Billy

Good point Tony.It started on page 1 of this thread with 1 or 2 self confessed experts slagging MNZ for the fact that here are such small numbers at the nationals.I would have thought it would have been more of an issue for someone in your position whos showing some good form early in your career.The ramifications if MNZ decide its not worth the effort of running a National series that nobody turns up too are huge.Ask Stroudy sometime about how much harder it is to secure big money sponsors to compete at WSBK level without being a NZ champ and in some cases eligibility too race at world championship level require you too be your National champ.Hows that gonna work for you younger guys if there is no championship

I dont see any of the Aussie guys ever doing wildcard type WSBK stuff even if they are champions and run at a similar pace, I guess they are priced out of it as well..prob better if they focus their energies on o/s gigs

**Biggles08** · 3rd March 2009, 07:21

I'm of the opinion that their is more to all of this than meets the eye....I'm sure MNZ have a lot to answer for in how they promote/organize the national series and I'm sure some of the clubs running the local events also could do things better.....BUT, at the end of the day, it is useless complaining about all of it if your not involved. At least after doing a couple of rounds of the nationals (after pukekohe) I'm entitled to a hearing of my opinion with regards to how it could be improved. I was more than impressed with the Manfield round in how it was run and promoted....and I thought the turnout was pretty good considering the lack of riders.

There is an issue of cost when it comes to National rounds....that is more because you have three days on the track all at once....proportionally the cost isn't too bad if you break it down, its just as has been said by others in this thread all at once.

**PeteJ** · 3rd March 2009, 07:48

Originally Posted by Biggles08

I'm of the opinion that their is more to all of this than meets the eye....I'm sure MNZ have a lot to answer for in how they promote/organize the national series and I'm sure some of the clubs running the local events also could do things better.....BUT, at the end of the day, it is useless complaining about all of it if your not involved. At least after doing a couple of rounds of the nationals (after pukekohe) I'm entitled to a hearing of my opinion with regards to how it could be improved. I was more than impressed with the Manfield round in how it was run and promoted....and I thought the turnout was pretty good considering the lack of riders.

There is an issue of cost when it comes to National rounds....that is more because you have three days on the track all at once....proportionally the cost isn't too bad if you break it down, its just as has been said by others in this thread all at once.

Yeah, everyone might like to consider the fact that, for the last 50 years or more, most of the organising people in the clubs and MNZ started as riders just like you who were upset at the lack of public interest in the sport and at the expense of competing at any level.

That's how you get into being a race/meeting organiser.

Any new and workable thoughts about promotion of the sport to riders and the public will be gratefully accepted by the clubs and MNZ, I assure you.

**scracha** · 3rd March 2009, 08:06

Originally Posted by Ozzy27

Or back to Scotland(what a shame)

Oh dear...another racist kiwi. As I've said before, this country would be fucked without us foreigners bringing in money and doing all the hard work.

Originally Posted by Ozzy27

Yeah it makes all the guys look really slow with the advancement in tires, Suspension ect!!

Possibly...or it could be that the tracks have just deteriorated.

**Billy** · 3rd March 2009, 17:53

Originally Posted by scracha

Oh dear...another racist kiwi. As I've said before, this country would be fucked without us foreigners bringing in money and doing all the hard work.

Possibly...or it could be that the tracks have just deteriorated.

Rubbish.What would you base that on ??

**svs** · 3rd March 2009, 18:05

Originally Posted by scracha

Possibly...or it could be that the tracks have just deteriorated.

Nothing wrong with the surface at manfeild with the resurfacing work. Taupo is new. The tracks weren't made of some super go faster grippy stuff back in the 80s

To be honest - I came over to NZ in 2000. got back into racing a couple of years later. I was surprised to be running at the front in clubmans on an SV (finished 3rd overall in the VMCC series) then finished 4th overall in F3. Seriously the level of competition in the UK and Scotland was much higher. Not in terms of having better bikes or circuits - just the talent and raw speed of the riders. NZ riders (myself inculded) have a way to go before taking the world by storm. All tracks I've been on over here are better than knockhill, east fortune and croft in terms of surface. Even donington wasn't all that flash up close - the TV just makes them look smoother.