Rear brake usage? (track)

[Rodney007]

hey guys,
thought Id post here to get the advice I'm looking for,

Over the last couple of trackdays I have been practicing using the the rear brake in my braking and all is going well,

Although ther'es a few things I'd like to clear up. and any advice is most appreciated.

I understand that using the rear brake slows your rear wheel down, thus pulls the engine rpm lower when engine braking, from what I'v noticed my arse end likes to slide around a bit when doing this, but when I'm done my rpms are 2-3k lower from where they should be in my gear causing a compression lock , the only way I'v noticed to regain traction Is bliping down to the lower gear and catching the rpm to regain full traction, or else the arse end shutters and slides trying to find the rpm it should be at.

(hope you understand)

Is this the right way? or am i using to much rear brake?, am I supposed to have the rear brake on enough so it only slightly bothers the engines rpm?

once again thanks,

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

cant really understand at what point of the corner you are losing 2-3k rpm, or even why you say that? are you simply scrubbing too much speed off when using both brakes?

[R6_kid:Me]

Feather the clutch, your bike doesn't have a slipper clutch so you have to match the engine revs to the rear wheel for yourself.

[vifferman]

As I understand it, you should be using the rear brake only enough to settle the bike before braking with the front before corners.

[Rodney007]

Feather the clutch, your bike doesn't have a slipper clutch so you have to match the engine revs to the rear wheel for yourself.

yah i heard slipper clutch takes care of alot of things,
so just take it easy on rear brakes to the point where i dont loose revs?

[Rodney007]

cant really understand at what point of the corner you are losing 2-3k rpm, or even why you say that? are you simply scrubbing too much speed off when using both brakes?

not in the corner when im hard braking, heading towards a corner

[Morcs]

But according to Raj, Moto GP riders etc... dont touch their rear brakes! at all!

lols

[Biggles08]

But according to Raj, Moto GP riders etc... dont touch their rear brakes! at all!

lols

I don't ever use my rear brake?!?! Why bother when the rear is in the air???

[slofox]

I'd say you are using too much rear brake if you are locking it up. Either change down more quickly, watching your revs and matching so that the rear does not lock up or ease off the rear brake a bit or better still, both.
There is no doubt in my mind that using both brakes plus engine braking, is the best stopping power you will get.

[R6_kid:Me]

I don't ever use my rear brake?!?! Why bother when the rear is in the air???

Then you need to start using it. It's not just there to add weight to the rear end.

[R6_kid:Me]

I'd say you are using too much rear brake if you are locking it up. Either change down more quickly, watching your revs and matching so that the rear does not lock up or ease off the rear brake a bit or better still, both.
There is no doubt in my mind that using both brakes plus engine braking, is the best stopping power you will get.

You misunderstand, he's slowing the rear wheel down faster than the engine is braking, that is what is causing it to skid, nothing wrong with that, he just needs to feather the clutch to match the two speeds nicely through the gearbox to keep things in shape.

[Biggles08]

Then you need to start using it. It's not just there to add weight to the rear end.

Good point G.....I will remove it immediately!

[Tony.OK]

Then you need to start using it. It's not just there to add weight to the rear end.

Its more useful when the fronts in the air

[Sully60]

Is this the right way? or am i using to much rear brake?, am I supposed to have the rear brake on enough so it only slightly bothers the engines rpm?

once again thanks, going to track tomorrow would be good to put some advice to use,

If you don't need it to slow down or settle the bike then don't distract yourself with it.

I only started using mine when riding Motards (piss poor geometry and suspension for road racing)and not to back in as is the fashion but when I buried those big, long travel forks into the deck and things would get really wayward, using the back brake just gave the feeling of keeping the rear squating and kept the whole ship a lot more stable when it came time to turn in. I don't use it on any of my roadrace bikes.

There's no right or wrong when it comes to how much back brake you use, just remember that you have a lot of things to concentrate on when you are braking into corners and if you're worrying about rear wheel chatter and matching revs etc you're probably not paying enough attention to speed, location and timing.

[Biggles08]

If you don't need it to slow down or settle the bike then don't distract yourself with it.

I only started using mine when riding Motards (piss poor geometry and suspension for road racing)and not to back in as is the fashion but when I buried those big, long travel forks into the deck and things would get really wayward, using the back brake just gave the feeling of keeping the rear squating and kept the whole ship a lot more stable when it came time to turn in. I don't use it on any of my roadrace bikes.

There's no right or wrong when it comes to how much back brake you use, just remember that you have a lot of things to concentrate on when you are braking into corners and if you're worrying about rear wheel chatter and matching revs etc you're probably not paying enough attention to speed, location and timing.

not to mention....it ain't going to slow anything when its floating in the air!

Seriously tho, this is 100% correct. I'm sure once your motor skills are at such a high standard you can do everything else without thinking about it you may be able to achieve something of use by using the rear brake but to this point I have never touched it for the reason quoted above.

As TonyOK mentioned, it is helpful to ensure rear somersaults are avoided when getting front wheel lift from acceleration but as for assisting stopping...it is very little use I have found.